Re: [tap] Weird thought for the day: "skip 71 - reason"

Ovid <publiustemp-tapx@yahoo.com> Fri, 05 March 2010 16:12 UTC

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:12:42 -0800
From: Ovid <publiustemp-tapx@yahoo.com>
To: Andy Armstrong <andy@hexten.net>
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Subject: Re: [tap] Weird thought for the day: "skip 71 - reason"
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----- Original Message ----
> From: Andy Armstrong <andy@hexten.net>


> It makes more sense - but raises a wider question about how much of the grammar 
> we're prepared to change. Are we saying that for TAP v14 we can basically change 
> anything?


I think a TAP consumer could conceivably indicate to the producer which version of TAP it supports.  The produce is not bound by this and should produce TAP compatible with version 13. If not version is specified, again, 13 (if 14 is not backwards compatible).  Otherwise, if the producer and consumer can produce/understand richer TAP levels, we have a win.

That being said, I don't think "skip 3" is a compelling enough argument for this.

And Salve, I just wasn't aware this. I remember old conversations where it was agreed that the behaviour is unspecified.
 
I would just like to get people thinking about what we can do, rather than keep our thinking small (though my modest proposal was rather small :)

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