Re: [Taps] IETF planning

Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com> Tue, 27 October 2015 14:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Taps] IETF planning
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> How are you going to do this when you don’t know what applies to connection opening, connection maintenance, data transfer? What kinds of error messages are available?
We need that of course but I don’t see now any list of what are the common features between all transports (to start with) and then how to discover the rest :-)
> I think it’s a much more obvious step from draft-welzl-taps-transports to a generic TAPS API than from draft-ietf-taps-transports, and that’s the whole point. draft-ietf-taps-transports is a nice survey but it doesn’t really help you much for creating an API, I think.
I did not suggest abandoning it. Just making sure it does focus on what is needed.
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> Cheers,
> Michael
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