Re: [tcmtf] TCMTF: Document B discussion: content and charter

[FERNANDO PASCUAL BLANCO <[e-mail]>]

Hi all,

What if we define both?

  1.  What Manuel explained in points 2 and 3 (dynamic enforcement of the TCMTF optimization): a northbound interface to do that
  2.  To apply TCMTF optimization based on inline signaling (signaling within the data, as Traffic Class or metadata)

Could both things be defined, and give preference to one of them?

Regards,

Fernando Pascual Blanco
Telefónica Global Resources
Network Automation and Dynamization
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Date: martes, 15 de enero de 2013 13:15
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Subject: Re: [tcmtf] TCMTF: Document B discussion: content and charter

Hi,
  I am going to do one´s bit.

It is true there are tons of classification methods, however the issue is that:

1.       It is not common its use, and therefore it is reasonable to suppose a lot of packets/flows will not be classified.

2.       And even when a flow is classified, it is possible than that classification does not identify the delays for that flow.


Therefore under my opinion (quite similar to Fernando) is that it is necessary the MUX “obtain” the configuration to know than flow are TCMTFed. In that line, there are three different approaches:

1.       A static configuration (as an initial state)

2.       A policy manager dynamically enforces the option for each new flow

3.       The MUX asks for instruction for each “new” flow to an “policy manager” or “controller”. This last options is fully compatible with the 2 option.

And answering the question about open the scope of document B. I agree.

Regards,
  Manuel Núñez


De: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> [mailto:[e-mail]] En nombre de Jose Saldana
Enviado el: martes, 15 de enero de 2013 11:56
Para: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Asunto: [tcmtf] TCMTF: Document B discussion: content and charter

Document (B) refers to the informational draft about maximum tolerable delays, currently in http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-suznjevic-tsvwg-mtd-tcmtf/

1.- Content of the Document

Currently, the Document specifies the maximum added delays for different services.

However, the discussion has set clear that other things should be added, mainly methods for identifying the flows:


Michael: “has any detailed thought about how TCMTF might identify which flows it should NOT attempt to compress?

Considering "the Internet of things" (where virtually every device is connected via IP) ... we can expect a lot of small packets ... but not necessarily know if we should compress them or not (e.g., FPS packets) ... or what the delay bounds on the compression should be.
Should we mention that flows that signal their own traffic class (e.g., using "Metadata" describing the flow) is a good thing to differentiate on? Should we suggest signature analysis (a probabilistic guess for the application based on its time-domain signature characteristics) might also be of utility?”

Fernando had another opinion: “On the other hand,  the selection of flows to be potentially TCMTFed could be something undefined at the beginning (it may be statically configured for example), but it is something that will NEED to be defined to be dynamically enforced at the mux from a higher entity (policy manager). That functionality would be addressed to a different draft in the future, re-chartering the WG.”


Jose: “Perhaps a "natural" way could be widening the scope of draft (B), including not only delay limits, but also currently existing traffic classification methods which could be useful for selecting the packets to multiplex. Does this sound well?”



Mirko: “I think there is no need to develop something for traffic classification in the scope of TCMTF WG. There is a large research community doing traffic classification and some of the already developed techniques can be applied for our need. It may be feasible to present an overview of techniques which could be used by TCMTF in draft B.”



Luigi: “There are tons of classification methods out there, developing a new one does not look very useful to me.”



Michael: “I agree with Luigi and Mirko ... there are more than enough people working on traffic flow descriptions ... and how to signal/inform networks of their requirements (e.g., per-hop behaviors and the like). (…) For now, I would recommend a placeholder in the draft that addresses the concern and that TCMTF SHOULD consider the traffic class of the flows when such information is available.”



So perhaps the solution could be widening the scope of the Document (B) in order to also include:

                - TCMTF SHOULD consider the traffic class of the flows when such information is available

                - Suggesting traffic classification methods which could be useful in order to do this



What do you think? Is everyone ok with this?






2.- Should we include it in the Charter now?

Of course, Document (B) should be included in the Charter.


Best regards,

Jose


Jose Saldana, PhD
Communications Technologies Group (GTC)
Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Communications
EINA, University of Zaragoza.
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