RE: types of traffic in tcp congest control
"Douglas Otis" <dotis@sanlight.net> Wed, 15 May 2002 18:04 UTC
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Subject: RE: types of traffic in tcp congest control
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:04:11 -0700
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Anumita, Core aspects may deserve separate consideration: Long distance - Transoceanic - Transcontinental - Satellite Metropolitan - Central Office - Head-end - Pax - Cable Provisioning of these aspects create the Core and each have respective limitations based on deployment. Last mile technologies have seen reductions in basic service to assist in with Core issues as improved access (last mile) technologies become popular. Although technology allows phenomenal bandwidth, this is not without a requisite investment. Early investments in this technology were stranded as growth slowed. Expectations of improvement in basic service have diminished as have investments. A good Core network must be over-provisioned to allow fail-over and, although routers are better at handling saturation, lack of free bandwidth does have a dramatic service impact. There is a significant difference in the level of basic service between countries owning to adequate essential Core and population densities that constrain cost. Some aspect of the Core is a constraint where small changes in access will absorb available bandwidth. Web caching is an effort to relieve Core constraints, as example. Will greatly improved CPU and LAN technologies press for improved basic access? What model for Core provisioning is used to keep pace? To use the network to enjoy multimedia, then the present 1 mb/s must be improved to a reliable 6 mb/s for broadcast quality, and 11 to 22 mb/s for high definition. The many Mice (low-rate last mile) will still scare away the Elephants if sharing under provisioned Core. -Doug On May 14, 2002 11:31 PM Anumita Biswas (BAnumita@novell.com) wrote: > > Can the arguments about disk drives, memory capacity be really extended > to core, highly shared Internet links? Has the provisioning of core > links ever exceeded the rate at which the number of internet users are > increasing. > > Also, should we not also consider the "bandwidth" of the core > routers/switches, that is the rate at which their ability to > route/switch packets is increasing versus the rate at which they are > pumped with packets? Can that ability be overprovisioned quickly > enough? > > Please revert back, if I have misunderstood. > > thanks > Anumita. > >>> Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> 05/15/02 11:18AM >>> > > > Anumita Biswas wrote: > > Is it not true that overprovisioning is never a long term solution, > > as bandwidth is never ever enough? As Alan says, "Usage expands to > > fit network bandwidth". > > If you have a DSL line, track its usage. You will find that ~1Mbps is > more than sufficient most of the time. > > Yes, applications sometimes catch up. However, whenever a resource is > scarce the assumption is that usage will always catch up. The arguments > held in the past for disk drives, memory capacity, and CPU speed. Most > are, for most purposes, overprovisioned very easily for all but a small > fraction of the time for most users. > > Joe > > >
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- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Joe Touch
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control J Wu
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Joe Touch
- RE: types of traffic in tcp congest control Douglas Otis
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control J Wu
- RE: types of traffic in tcp congest control J Wu
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Joe Touch
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Alan Cox
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Alan Cox
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Alan Cox
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Joe Touch
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Anumita Biswas
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Joe Touch
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Anumita Biswas
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Joe Touch
- Re: types of traffic in tcp congest control Alan Cox
- RE: types of traffic in tcp congest control Douglas Otis