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Re: [tcpinc] TCP's treatment of data in SYN packets

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Fri, 29 July 2016 20:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpinc] TCP's treatment of data in SYN packets
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On 7/29/2016 12:24 PM, David Mazieres wrote:
> Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> writes:
>
>> FWIW, IMO the best wording would:
>>
>> - start with the simplest case, i.e., NOT trying to optimize EDO to use
>> SYN data
>>
>> - present the use of SYN data with EDO as an optimization
>>         that optimization might be a MAY or SHOULD, but not a MUST
>>
>> Otherwise, you're needlessly complicating your spec for an optimization.
> I'm not sure I follow.  The issue here is about application data that
> needs to be decrypted, acked, and delivered in order.  EDO would seem to
s/EDO/ENO/

Joe

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