Re: [tcpinc] Review of draft-bittau-tcpinc-tcpeno-01

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Subject: Re: [tcpinc] Review of draft-bittau-tcpinc-tcpeno-01
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Mirja K=C3=BChlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@tik.ee.ethz.ch> writes:

> Hi David,
>
> I believe the point is, if you have already broken the tie via
> out-of-band signal and both endpoints have already decided who will be
> the opener (host A) and responder (host B), why do you still need to
> write this information in the tcp-eno option if this information is
> already known to the host?

Because without the "b" bit, TCP-ENO has no way of knowing that it's
known to the host.  I'm operating under the assumption that we still
want to fall back to a working unencrypted TCP connection in the event
that the endpoints do not properly break the tie.  Is that not the case?

David