Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13.txt
Tim Shepard <shep@alum.mit.edu> Fri, 31 May 2013 18:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13.txt
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If a TCP connection has succesfully negotiated timestamp option on, and a segment shows up with no timestamp option, I can think of only two reasons for this: 1. The other TCP is buggy in some way. (Or maybe *this* TCP implementation is buggy in some way and corrupted the TCB block variable that remembers whether we've got timestamp options on or off. In any case, there is a bug.) 2. The segment that arrived is from some old TCP connection, probably to or from some previous user of a reused IP address. (The MSL is a pure myth. There's no way to guarantee any upper bound for how long some packet may be delayed in transit. 15+ years ago I did a trivially easy demonstration that delayed several ping packets for over an hour (over lunch), with no Internet routers involved, on a LAN using hardware that was in widespread use at the time. E.g. Someone trips over a cable which slightly dislodges it, then hours or days later, someone later notices and pushes it back in.) So, you can either accept the packet (A) or drop the packet (B). 1. (A) hmm... other end is buggy, *maybe* accepting the packet would be the right thing. 1. (B) other end is buggy, dropping the packet *might* cause a TCP connection to get stuck that otherwise would not have gotten stuck. (Hard to say... the other end is buggy!) 2. (A) data corruption (if the packet is otherwise acceptable) 2. (B) clearly the right thing to do. With no reliable way to distinguish case 1 from case 2 at the receiver, my gut is to prefer option B and live with the possible downside of the 1. (B) situation. I also think letting the connection get stuck in the 1. (B) situation has an upside... it might draw attention to the bug and cause the bug to get fixed. ... as long as there is no ambiguity on which of the two TCP implementations is buggy. (If we have this problem, then we have a much bigger problem.) -Tim Shepard shep@alum.mit.edu
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- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Christoph Paasch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… l.wood
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Tim Shepard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Andre Oppermann
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Jakob Heitz
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
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