IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [tcpm] Intended status of draft-ietf-tcpm-rack

Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> Wed, 20 November 2019 07:24 UTC

Return-Path: <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>
X-Original-To: tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4CD120843 for <tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:24:32 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.002
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xGODXoH4I_XF for <tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:24:29 -0800 (PST)
Received: from EUR04-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr80059.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.8.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 111D2120856 for <tcpm@ietf.org>; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:24:28 -0800 (PST)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=FoimLLtYAbSWeD8jKefAlLu/AoEi5bqnBPd3KFhP1kVXhxn0f04kTnH/SdvNRYlgJKXMlF7rJm+YjNDsu9NnfIVyAlCBCpx4545hQAFxBZuF7XKGmAExXrHoU+bWOP2zxbW0SNiNgUmcvlFhrY/wZNpzn3RtA/1BlxksZBmFcCCTvhfiF3rNj6dz1x3/QNTihjwH03anUFiWiSdDVYREJx72xjvTKcRIfmPNMiyAMMPhrxbR2ZAhUOj8CwqLpRAazCJKjcoqyn5oMlZs4ag9PyYlk55KaeBYVIql0+3zORKGj43Knmzd2CU7i9M7zBeJMinw1Utsx8iQzBNw4/YqYw==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=TBAPiDsI/fOzNsLHVHBv684tOY977GABSzkwboMhDf4=; b=eAynUgdgRH3/kRHSJageEcsp4SgznHkgAAfLprThn3RKasCIQTlAgEu9vRVLFkOWVOqjzjgbbBShkXnYTdh0t1kkFg3HiWxcsoSWGAoIJGS7CbYy+BpNYLs5UTe2u2An9YE+ZSRMaP8O64gt1aBcpWYo7wJi6hshk09NuD4GWZJ45rEK3mU9wLZoL6KLbvZsOq8QPBd1tm9Bc3HoWmt/y7IOnit/B3dcB/WII2O9+37c0Izml5Go9O7nH9RxZcdqiPaB0aBK0SBomphnROeLfdrkcxFfsTGCdsw1hRCbFc5BklRE/6zRaoC/Be2KDRmUB++GyvDD+bRGYt6bVF6hHg==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ericsson.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=ericsson.com; dkim=pass header.d=ericsson.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericsson.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=TBAPiDsI/fOzNsLHVHBv684tOY977GABSzkwboMhDf4=; b=SYyLGJx/XhNf0jQfKTHog/JU372760I0nmiLGAtGjiwTswBvf7OILzuZwhRMgUKvY3cyPg+g1tXgeE2GmqMGQx174GuYxUIqfEnn5zBliBj43aFbxrdbnLiINVOcODzkK7sYgcgWJc0Az239soPASwNL4HwRU6qhMchJp7vO22k=
Received: from HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (20.176.162.29) by HE1PR07MB4331.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (20.176.167.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2474.7; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 07:24:26 +0000
Received: from HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::dc3f:bc2e:d106:e087]) by HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::dc3f:bc2e:d106:e087%7]) with mapi id 15.20.2495.009; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 07:24:26 +0000
From: Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>
To: Christoph Paasch <cpaasch=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>, Praveen Balasubramanian <pravb@microsoft.com>, "Scheffenegger, Richard" <rs.ietf@gmx.at>, "4bone@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net" <4bone@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, Neal Cardwell <ncardwell@google.com>
CC: "tcpm@ietf.org" <tcpm@ietf.org>, Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>
Thread-Topic: [tcpm] Intended status of draft-ietf-tcpm-rack
Thread-Index: AdWexcS8eS9aGmFuQdyvHIcbtAFW4AAA5R8AACI5cIAACDc1cA==
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 07:24:26 +0000
Message-ID: <HE1PR07MB4425CE54ED64D19C076ADFCCC24F0@HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HE1PR07MB44256AB7B0B3864F67CD538EC24C0@HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> <F9130FD0-C761-4225-9A13-2F68240D455A@gmail.com> <E4C9161E-05C2-4D28-92DD-060079E46B8F@apple.com>
In-Reply-To: <E4C9161E-05C2-4D28-92DD-060079E46B8F@apple.com>
Accept-Language: sv-SE, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com;
x-originating-ip: [192.176.1.82]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: b0741b37-58d8-48e0-9869-08d76d8aacad
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: HE1PR07MB4331:|HE1PR07MB4331:
x-ms-exchange-purlcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <HE1PR07MB433146CAE0D82D10A9123BF1C24F0@HE1PR07MB4331.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:5236;
x-forefront-prvs: 02272225C5
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(4636009)(39860400002)(396003)(136003)(376002)(366004)(346002)(13464003)(189003)(199004)(478600001)(6246003)(4326008)(71190400001)(107886003)(966005)(66066001)(102836004)(6506007)(53546011)(76176011)(7696005)(8936002)(25786009)(99286004)(2501003)(229853002)(2906002)(186003)(8676002)(81166006)(81156014)(26005)(74316002)(7736002)(305945005)(446003)(5660300002)(11346002)(54906003)(66446008)(3846002)(55016002)(71200400001)(6116002)(66476007)(66616009)(66946007)(86362001)(486006)(6306002)(64756008)(66556008)(110136005)(9686003)(256004)(476003)(316002)(6436002)(1511001)(52536014)(14454004)(76116006)(33656002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:HE1PR07MB4331; H:HE1PR07MB4425.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: ericsson.com does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 2V3boQFzTTjqA+WOb9biVqrUeysDLPhNH8D3hPytjjfw0HuJ3s7IHKYv4q8ovMjxuRDW9323jbpu3rKVQqf40h1cdhwYGWhICyEz9T3lZ2jzQpA1GEmsm+RnYYBxtIM3kIeYVZzgtNrNl1mTrZPCYf2bDoZe7viMmQvfPbPkGcVvRxquEvzx5rJjroyOrPmAeSME7klV56XFrG2HSE3H/VTuruR4Sf5dDvv9NxD7rq9HK30ileQ6rgFg7WHTquWc+4z2LDZYRPX7gIqenbl+ONRhpbU9Wo/4LBSeNY17js/c8UuKCxENYzbWLDhCchfA2659ugfedgmjYbGWtKvsfesIaj08Qaoojx8RpjUQLd70xnf2FzobN3tZDPxQmUnxElQmGwcA1sDtJPgtruoFOZw213KWF3A2W44jG1uAvjWRppUT4YcEYETC/uhHEj+7Plk1Tl+5rSfAEKP5Mk0dZFEX/bpAzROAk3D4l9l7qoo=
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg="SHA1"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05AF_01D59F7B.EB2F7F50"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: b0741b37-58d8-48e0-9869-08d76d8aacad
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Nov 2019 07:24:26.5457 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: GVLBhqjRLh3GM0Ze/wIAUd94xEOnEEuUYPdYHb18m7RmlQzObAjKXY9v27GbYQO/78j94T8uL2cfr8R+8xEF6AUqQsmENLt42nw2iRP8GiFud39TRBPTqpfezyuS/z2N
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR07MB4331
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tcpm/4juQj3qBVIMgtivlWEmSR6HXYnM>
Subject: Re: [tcpm] Intended status of draft-ietf-tcpm-rack
X-BeenThere: tcpm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions Working Group <tcpm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tcpm>, <mailto:tcpm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tcpm/>
List-Post: <mailto:tcpm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tcpm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm>, <mailto:tcpm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 07:24:32 -0000

Thanks all for the response, it is indeed useful information

/Ingemar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cpaasch@apple.com <cpaasch@apple.com> On Behalf Of Christoph
> Paasch
> Sent: den 20 november 2019 04:26
> To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
> Cc: Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>; Ingemar
> Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>; tcpm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [tcpm] Intended status of draft-ietf-tcpm-rack
> 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 19 Nov, 2019, at 6:51 pm, Ingemar Johansson S
> <ingemar.s.johansson=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am also in support of proposed standard for draft-ietf-tcpm-rack as
> >> this can potentially relax the strict ordering requirements in 5G
> >> deployments. I am not 100% certain of the actual value of proposed
> >> standard vs experimental ditto outside IETF but it is definitely not of
> negative impact.
> >>
> >> A question (perhaps already discussed on the mailing list):
> >> How widely do you think that RACK will be deployed in TCP stacks in
> >> the near and more far perspective?.
> >> I know that it is already in Linux. What about MS Windows, FreeBSD,
> >> IOS, Android ??
> >
> > Android is Linux, to a first approximation, and thus inherits its
networking
> capabilities.
> >
> > FreeBSD I understand has a RACK-capable TCP stack, but which is not the
> default.  I think Rod Grimes should be able to clarify this, and he's also
on this
> list.
> >
> > Apple devices I do not know for sure about.
> 
> We do not have an implementation of RACK in our TCP stack.
> 
> 
> Regardless of that, I support PS as the intended status for RACK.
> 
> 
> Christoph
> 
> 
> >
> > - Jonathan Morton
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > tcpm mailing list
> > tcpm@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email