Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6697)
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6697)
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Neal, On 30/09/2021 16:43, Neal Cardwell wrote: > I agree with the points made by Vidhi and Bob, and really like Bob's text. > > In the suggested text there may be a typo; I believe we want > s/SND.UNA/SND.NXT/. [BB] Agree (and your next point about solely ECN indications). I only said SND.UNA 'cos I was looking back at this earlier sentence in the RFC, and I copied the idea without engaging brain: o DCTCP.WindowEnd: the TCP sequence number threshold when one observation window ends and another is to begin; initialized to SND.UNA. Why does this say SND.UNA? Is this another erratum? I believe the Linux code initializes to SND.NXT in dctcp_reset(), which is called from dctcp_init(): https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.7/source/net/ipv4/tcp_dctcp.c#L78 BTW, step 7 correctly says SND.NXT: 7. Determine the end of the next observation window: DCTCP.WindowEnd = SND.NXT Bob > And probably we want to be more specific about only suppressing > further ECN-based reductions (further loss-triggered reductions would > be good to allow). I'm posting my suggested tweaks in blue, starting > from Bob's nice green text: > > SUGGESTED: > ========== > > *3.4. Congestion Window Reduction* > Rather than always halving the congestion window as described in > [RFC3168]*, on the arrival of ECNcongestion feedback,* the sender SHOULD > update cwnd as follows: > > cwnd = cwnd * (1 - DCTCP.Alpha / 2) > Just as specified in [RFC3168], DCTCP does not react to congestion > indications more than once for every window of data.*Therefore, as for RFC3168 ECN, it sets the variable for the end of > congestion window reduced (CWR) state to SND.NXTand suppresses > further ECN-triggeredreductions until this TCP sequence number is > acknowledged. Periods of CWR state are triggered by congestion > feedback, and therefore occur at times unrelated to the continuous > cycle of observation windows used to update DCTCP.Alpha in Section 3.3.* > > The setting of the CWR bit is also as per [RFC3168]. This is > required for interoperation with classic ECN receivers due to > potential misconfigurations. > > 3.*5*. Handling of Congestion Window Growth... > > neal > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:22 AM Bob Briscoe <in@bobbriscoe.net > <mailto:in@bobbriscoe.net>> wrote: > > Vidhi, > > You're right. It's incorrect to have the window reduction hanging > off the end of the list of steps for updating the EWMA. > > To make this concrete, here's some specific additional text (in > green for those with HTML mail readers). Also, rather than > splitting into sub-subsections, I have suggested that Item 9. of > the list in subsection 3.3 is moved out of the list, and instead > forms the basis of a new subsection 3.4. entitled "Congestion > Window Reduction". > > CURRENT: > ======== > > 9. Rather than always halving the congestion window as described in > [RFC3168], the sender SHOULD update cwnd as follows: > > cwnd = cwnd * (1 - DCTCP.Alpha / 2) > > Just as specified in [RFC3168], DCTCP does not react to congestion > indications more than once for every window of data. The setting of > the CWR bit is also as per [RFC3168]. This is required for > interoperation with classic ECN receivers due to potential > misconfigurations. > > 3.4. Handling of Congestion Window Growth... > > SUGGESTED: > ========== > > *3.4. Congestion Window Reduction* > > Rather than always halving the congestion window as described in > [RFC3168]*, on the arrival of congestion feedback,* the sender SHOULD > update cwnd as follows: > > cwnd = cwnd * (1 - DCTCP.Alpha / 2) > > Just as specified in [RFC3168], DCTCP does not react to congestion > indications more than once for every window of data.*Therefore, as for RFC3168 ECN, it sets the variable for the end > of congestion window reduced (CWR) state to SND.UNA and > suppresses further reductions until this TCP sequence number is > acknowledged. Periods of CWR state are triggered by congestion > feedback, and therefore occur at times unrelated to the > continuous cycle of observation windows used to update > DCTCP.Alpha in Section 3.3.* > > The setting of the CWR bit is also as per [RFC3168]. This is > required for interoperation with classic ECN receivers due to > potential misconfigurations. > > 3.*5*. Handling of Congestion Window Growth... > > > Then the of numbering all subsequent subsections of section 3. > will increment by 0.1. > > > > Bob > > On 28/09/2021 08:18, RFC Errata System wrote: >> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8257, >> "Data Center TCP (DCTCP): TCP Congestion Control for Data Centers". >> >> -------------------------------------- >> You may review the report below and at: >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6697 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6697> >> >> -------------------------------------- >> Type: Technical >> Reported by: Vidhi Goel<vidhi_goel@apple.com> <mailto:vidhi_goel@apple.com> >> >> Section: 3.3 >> >> Original Text >> ------------- >> The below pseudocode follows after DCTCP.Alpha is updated on ACK processing. This is wrong as cwnd should only be reduced using DCTCP.Alpha when ECE is received. >> >> 9. Rather than always halving the congestion window as described in >> [RFC3168], the sender SHOULD update cwnd as follows: >> >> cwnd = cwnd * (1 - DCTCP.Alpha / 2) >> >> Corrected Text >> -------------- >> Instead, a new paragraph for Congestion Response to ECN feedback would be much clearer. First start with RFC 3168's response to ECE and then provide DCTCP's response to ECE. >> >> I am thinking splitting section 3.3 into two sub-sections - >> 3.3.1 Computation of DCTCP.Alpha >> 3.3.2 Congestion Response to ECE at sender >> >> >> >> Notes >> ----- >> Although RFC 8257 refers to RFC 3168 congestion window halving at step 9, but it is confusing to put it right after step 8. >> >> Instructions: >> ------------- >> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please >> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or >> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party >> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >> >> -------------------------------------- >> RFC8257 (draft-ietf-tcpm-dctcp-10) >> -------------------------------------- >> Title : Data Center TCP (DCTCP): TCP Congestion Control for Data Centers >> Publication Date : October 2017 >> Author(s) : S. Bensley, D. Thaler, P. Balasubramanian, L. Eggert, G. Judd >> Category : INFORMATIONAL >> Source : TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions >> Area : Transport >> Stream : IETF >> Verifying Party : IESG >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tcpm mailing list >> tcpm@ietf.org <mailto:tcpm@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm> > > -- > ________________________________________________________________ > Bob Briscoehttp://bobbriscoe.net/ <http://bobbriscoe.net/> > > _______________________________________________ > tcpm mailing list > tcpm@ietf.org <mailto:tcpm@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm> > -- ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe http://bobbriscoe.net/
- [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6697) RFC Errata System
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Neal Cardwell
- Re: [tcpm] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Technical Errata Repor… Praveen Balasubramanian
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Vidhi Goel
- Re: [tcpm] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Technical Errata Repor… Praveen Balasubramanian
- Re: [tcpm] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Technical Errata Repor… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… tuexen
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Vidhi Goel
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… tuexen
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… t petch
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Martin Duke
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Martin Duke
- Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8257 (6… Vidhi Goel