From nobody Mon Jul 4 13:40:12 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599ECC14F73A for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:40:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.105 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.105 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S4FZo2ZkfIWq for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x229.google.com (mail-lj1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FB4BC157B32 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2022 13:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x229.google.com with SMTP id a39so12222383ljq.11 for ; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 13:40:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6ZRv7zzo285TQOT9d1z2Huou7I//cT637DbDoiBoYL8=; b=LL5ilYCCeiRReXVQk9IV9S0cUIxbnjokSeb3QxgkH9Tf94VpcPHgA2aZi9+4vydjHs Fb+7pL+cZd981u/J9FRgXhVsigPXlgEOdV4/gK3Okkf7b/J/6B+LYzilGLw1bNy5dn+l +ElUurFDdwNwcdCsEghz58vQT+9xqDu8T8xJEIToonWL0HTjQTVOz0SvA+eaKhSDbTBJ 7Ek8ViPmYWtZJfDanRNfMLeL2Lfzd73asQ+wTkIi6BCgkw3UKXYMQvxNjG4/2/hBA3fr t+9SZqXIgHIcDOQQx/Q/m9z9j+HAJthICfqd7cZh3SkCcrHBDwlqa1FNTfKiz31UCabw Aw5g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6ZRv7zzo285TQOT9d1z2Huou7I//cT637DbDoiBoYL8=; b=N0P+Q43AZovhl7r8BmYoKCeAmkRP413dsnnleawAAoKxc4MsEjBZIkkigwrw9C7SQe jyNzdG/8Mtthtw7slMkxufktu9SwPvdpqsAHE+37vC68EYbZJP0BbUBvo6nvoOodVlYg E0xA6ptHAcllLhxT+wDbFYEr63IUF8I/BxGjeU2iPzSli125zmgni1OI0Kzjk4k09J+n 2x08NCswJpgrUWBT5SzRWjI6jeIRSmEC7GqKvyUk8tNznP0bVjB/0EwuPCuDmSt3c9gW KL8HSKUk5R7/mqyppSvK2DTS4eyMWTI1/mASZ2LU2FjvB1nkrmmphCTxHTA4GJjB1UBm hapw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8KjClMAXihhxaWd6hM6/o5MCUXwSE1rhY8qIR31E/2JxNkFiYE 9lOK7k4inkuPPakoiWOE1wdOT6PlVkxQwMyUGf/KPg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1usmTxb9YAFk0kjAULUbyaX5Y8gNvPCrFSmjMAAK21isGsupTk3a1URlkm8DnvbXkPfzRe0L9z0I/21w2r6eCo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:244:b0:255:32c8:dd42 with SMTP id x4-20020a05651c024400b0025532c8dd42mr16497604ljn.101.1656967203031; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 13:40:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <165690747653.9313.6940379164951428048@ietfa.amsl.com> <893612ED-91B7-4492-8000-EF2D54AC49BC@strayalpha.com> <4688b79370e94df6b8af107a97be0a7f@hs-esslingen.de> In-Reply-To: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2022 22:40:01 +0200 Message-ID: To: "touch@strayalpha.com" Cc: "ops-dir@ietf.org" , "tcpm@ietf.org" , Gyan Mishra , "draft-ietf-tcpm-yang-tcp.all@ietf.org" , Last Call Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008aa2ae05e300bd61" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tcpm] [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-tcpm-yang-tcp-07 X-BeenThere: tcpm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2022 20:40:09 -0000 --0000000000008aa2ae05e300bd61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, > I think we disagree on the nature of network management. In 30+ years dealing with various networks I never set anything via SNMP nor YANG, but used network management tools for monitoring extensively. Starting a long long time back with HP OpenView. > You=E2=80=99re describing a debugging too, not a network management tool. > Nope ... sorry, Monitoring is far less demanding then debugging. Kind regards, R. --0000000000008aa2ae05e300bd61 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe,
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I think we disagree on the nature of network management.
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In 30+ years dealing with various networks I never set anythi= ng via SNMP nor YANG, but used network management tools for monitoring exte= nsively. Starting a long long time back with HP OpenView.=C2=A0
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You=E2=80=99r= e describing a debugging too, not a network management tool.

Nope ... sorry, Monitoring is far less demanding then= debugging.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Kind regards,
R.=

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