Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: keyID randomness

Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Mon, 04 August 2008 17:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: keyID randomness
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Joe,

I don't think that the TSPI/keyID should be selected at random. The 
range of values is so small that guessing the value is trivial.

                                 Ron

Joe Touch wrote:
> As per Ran's request, should the keyID be selected at random to enable
> early discard algorithms, e.g., to reduce the impact of an attacker who
> would need to guess a valid keyID value?
> 
>     I discussed this issue with Ran, and suggested that all crypto
>     properties should be contained in the MAC field; such a field
>     might include a 'hard to guess' arbitrary fixed part and a
>     computed (e.g., HMAC) part, to enable efficient 'triage'
>     of randomly-generated DOS packets.
> 
> Overall, this suggests that the document could note that the keyID is
> NOT intended for protection, and any valid values may be used at any time.
> 
> Comments (esp. from Ran, who raised the issue)?
> 
> 
> 
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