Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-tcpm-urgent-data-00
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Sun, 09 November 2008 00:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-tcpm-urgent-data-00
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At 09:10 p.m. 08/11/2008, Joe Touch wrote: > > Joe, why do you imply that simply updating RFC1122 such that it states > > that the UP points to "the byte following the last byte of urgent data" > > is a downgrade? Could you please elaborate a little bit on why you think > > it would be a downgrade? > >I'm trying to have a general discussion about a series of I-Ds that you >have generated along these lines. I don't understand what you mean by "along these lines". I don't think this document is in line with any other document I have published. FWIW, I had not even planned to publish this "urgent data" draft. But while analyzing some stuff (including packet traces) with Andrew, we realized that the specs had nothing to do with what has actually been implemented. It's a pain for implementers to find out that in many areas the specifications have nothing to do with what current impementations do (and, in this case, I'd say "with what implementations have always done, and still do"). >In this case, we're talking about >downgrading from 1122 (and some earlier RFCs) to allow the ambiguity >from 793. No. We are talking about updating RFC 1122 so that the semantics of the UP are officially updated so that the specs (theory) agree with implementations (practice). We're not "downgrading" anything. FWIW, I have already asked you to clarify why you think this is a "downgrade". Kind regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… David Borman
- [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-go… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Stefanos Harhalakis
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification fordraft… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification fordraft… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification fordraft… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification fordraft… Andrew Yourtchenko
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Joe Touch