Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-touch-tcpm-tcp-edo-01.txt
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-touch-tcpm-tcp-edo-01.txt
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Michael, > Thus, instead of further arguing about process aspects, I am more interested in thoughts on: > > * From designers of TCP extensions requiring more option space: Is draft-touch-tcpm-tcp-edo a good solution for your needs and thus the right way to move forward? > > * From implementers: Are there deployment issues beyond what is described in the draft already? And, would this mechanism be implemented in the Internet? My main concern with this draft are the possible interactions with segment splitting/coalescing middleboxes. The draft considers that these middleboxes are rare and should not constitute a problem. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this statement. An important concern are the recent NICs that support TSO or GRO. These NICs are very widely used today and there are environments where it is very difficult for a TCP stack to determine whether it runs with such a NIC a not. A typical case is a virtual machine running on a host that exposes a driver that does not correspond to the physical NIC that is actually used. The EDO option proposed in this draft does not unfortunately work correctly through a middlebox that splits segments. Concerning the following example. A host that has negotiated EDO during the three way handshake sends a segment that contains : - TCP header indicates 4 bytes of option, followed by EDO option indicating an option of 100 bytes, 100 bytes of option (e.g. a very long SACK), 1000 bytes of data The middlebox does not understand the EDO option but needs to split the segment. Some middleboxes will copy all options in the two segments. This results in : segment 1 : TCP header indicates 4 bytes of option, followed by EDO option indicating an option of 100 bytes, 100 bytes of option (e.g. a very long SACK), 500 bytes of data segment 2 : TCP header indicates 4 bytes of option, followed by EDO option indicating an option of 100 bytes, 500 bytes of data The receiver will try to parse 100 bytes of option in the second segment... In their IMC paper entitled "Is it Still Possible to Extend TCP?", Michio Honda et al. provide the following recommendation http://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2011/docs/p181.pdf "All the NICs we tested correctly copied the options to all the split segments. TSO is now sufficiently commonplace so that designers of extensions to TCP should assume it. The implication is that TCP options must be designed so that when they are duplicated on consecutive segments, this does not adversely affect correctness or performance." EDO should be modified to take this recommendation into account to be deployable in today's Internet. One possibility could be to include a checksum inside the EDO option. +--------+--------+--------+--------+----------+----------+ | Kind | Length | Header_length | Checksum | +--------+--------+--------+--------+----------+----------+ The checksum should be computed over the entire extended option by the sender. When a receiver receives a segment with the EDO option, it MUST verify the EDO checksum. If the checksum is correct, then the extended option can be parsed. Otherwise, the entire segment should be silently dropped. The checksum could solve the problem mentionned above with the NIC that segment data, but additional work is required to check whether such modification would solve all possible problems with middleboxes. With Multipath TCP, we managed to extend TCP while preserving connectivity. Multipath TCP can cope with various types of middleboxes but not all possible behaviours. For some of these behaviours, Multipath TCP fallsback to regular TCP to ensure that the application continues to operate without any loss of connectivity. The EDO option should also have this goal in mind. Best regards, Olivier -- INL, ICTEAM, UCLouvain, Belgium, http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be
- [tcpm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-to… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version Not… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Brian Trammell
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Christoph Paasch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… John Leslie
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Olivier Bonaventure
- [tcpm] More TCP option space on SYNs Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] More TCP option space on SYNs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] New Version Notification for draft-tou… Joe Touch
- [tcpm] SYN extension using ACK=0 data packets Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] SYN extension using ACK=0 data packets Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] More TCP option space on SYNs Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] SYN extension using ACK=0 data packets Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Mark Allman
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Mark Allman
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Scharf, Michael (Michael)
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Mark Allman
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Mark Allman
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Mark Allman
- Re: [tcpm] timestamp options (was Re: New Version… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] More TCP option space on SYNs Martin Duke
- Re: [tcpm] More TCP option space on SYNs Joe Touch