Re: [tcpm] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5925 (7135)

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Sun, 25 September 2022 18:23 UTC

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Hi Leonard,

> On Sep 25, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Leonard Crestez <cdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Accepting signed segments which don't match an MKT is not sufficient for establishing an unsigned connection.

Agreed. It indicates acceptance by that side.

> The other side must also be configured to *accept unsigned replies* to its signed packets and no such flag seems to be required by the RFC.

That’s on OS issue, not a protocol one. It is decided by local configuration that does not need to be coordinated.

> It might also make sense to only accept mismatch on SYN segments because otherwise it would be possible for a TCP-AO connection to be interrupted by an unsigned RST.

Once a connection is established, that connnection’s stae determines what options are required. See sec 7.5:

>> Note that TCP-AO checks MUST be performed for all incoming SYNs to
   avoid accepting SYNs lacking TCP-AO where required.  Other segments
   can cache whether TCP-AO is needed in the TCB.

Joe