Re: [tcpm] exegesis of 'Updates' -- was: ... review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]

Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Tue, 30 September 2008 22:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] exegesis of 'Updates' -- was: ... review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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Alfred � wrote:
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> Therefore my recommendation:
> 
> +++   Be very careful with "Obsoletes", but be generous
> +++   with "Updates", for the benefit of RFC readers !

Well, we used to have a general rule:

	Be conservative in what you send,
	be liberal in what you receive.

The second rule is bent by tcpsecure, which interprets unexpected
segments as attacks needing defense.

As a result, we're here considering reasons not to put Updates in the
header, to avoid too strongly implying that all TCPs everywhere need to
be augmented with an IPR-encumbered poor substitute for true security.

My conclusion is that, although I agree with Alfred in spirit, I can't
see why we should be more liberal with Updates than we are with segments
we receive.

Joe
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