RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision ofdraft-larsen-tsvwg-port-randomization
"Anantha Ramaiah \(ananth\)" <ananth@cisco.com> Thu, 26 July 2007 19:30 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision ofdraft-larsen-tsvwg-port-randomization
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:30:21 -0700
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From: "Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" <ananth@cisco.com>
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Lars had sent an email to retain focus on the port randomization and hence this is going to my last comment... Pl see inline.. > > > Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote: > > Murari, > ... > > - or do it in piecemeal, first buy more TCP option space, > standardize > > any one of the proposals for extending the TCP option > space. Then have > > an extended port option like yu suggest below. Then think > about other > > TCP fields requiring extension. > > The problem is that buying more option space is equivalent to > requiring a whole new TCP header - it has the same problems > with backward compatibility. Previous attempts explored this New TCP header == "Mountain" , IMO this is equivalent to using SCTP in some sense. TCP option space == "Molehill" , this is a "minimal" change with "some" backward compat issues which can be addressed. If I take your above para seriously, then you are in a way implying that there is no new TCP options possible :-( or in other words users of TCP would be rationed to use only a few options in the initial SYN exchange. -Anantha > space, and I think this was Mark's motivation for a > doubled-field TCP header. > > Joe > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joe Touch Sr. Network Engineer, USAF TSAT Space Segment > Postel Center Director & Research Assoc. Prof., USC/ISI > > _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
- [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-tsvwg-port-random… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-tsvwg-port-ra… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-t… Lars Eggert
- RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-t… Murari Sridharan
- RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision ofdraft-larsen-ts… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision ofdraft-larsen-ts… Murari Sridharan
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-t… Joe Touch
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision ofdraft-larsen-ts… Joe Touch
- RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-t… Murari Sridharan
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm]Revision ofdraft-larsen-tsv… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-t… Joe Touch
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm]Revision ofdraft-larsen-tsv… Joe Touch
- RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision ofdraft-larsen-ts… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- [tcpm] discussion of TCP option space Joe Touch
- RE: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision of draft-larsen-t… Fernando Gont
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: [tcpm] Revision ofdraft-larsen-ts… Joe Touch