Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs
Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com> Thu, 07 August 2008 18:42 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com>
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs
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At Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:35:38 -0700, Joe Touch wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Eric Rescorla wrote: > ... > |> | Because the side doing the passive open doesn't know which client > |> | is connecting and it may have multiple instances of the same key-id? > |> | I don't understand the purpose of the time. Just do trial verifications > |> | with each key. > |> > |> That's a reason we have a keyID, which, together with the socket pair, > |> should exactly specify what key to use and avoids this sort of trial. If > |> we can live with trials, we can remove the keyID and things align much > |> better. > | > | Yes, but this only works if you either (1) know the address of > | peers in advance or (2) never assign the same key-id to two > | different peers. > > <indiv hat on> > > If we require the socket pair, then the keyID need be unique only within > a connection, and we should never need to test different keys -- even > with key rollover, the key used should be deterministic. > > Supporting NATs can be done in two different ways: I think this is at least potentially an issue even aside from NAT. When I install keys on my host, you're proposing that I need to configure both the peer IP address and the key-id. This isn't necessarily bad, but it does mean that if (for instance) the other side decides to renumber, nothing will work absent manual reconfiguration. Is that something people want? -Ekr _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
- [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Dan Wing
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Dan Wing
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Ron Bonica
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Dan Wing
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Ted Faber
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Dan Wing
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: support for NATs Joe Touch