Re: [tcpm] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-25: (with COMMENT)
Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Thu, 30 September 2021 21:38 UTC
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From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793bis-25: (with COMMENT)
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Probably worth checking, yes. I thought there was some text that implied "not part of the byte stream" already, but couldn't point to if offhand. -Ben On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 01:56:27PM -0700, touch@strayalpha.com wrote: > PS - should we also note what should happen with that data, i.e., until it is defined in some other way? > > I.e., SHOULD allow RST to include data, but this data is NOT part of the TCP byte stream. > — > Joe Touch, temporal epistemologist > www.strayalpha.com > > > On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 12:55 PM Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu <mailto:kaduk@mit.edu>> wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 06:08:23PM -0700, Erik Kline via Datatracker wrote: > > [...] > > > [S3.5, question] > > > > > > * Is there an example of what possible use a RST w/ data could serve? > > > > > > I didn't see anything in S3.10.7(.*) that indicated the data in a segment > > > with the RST flag set could get processed (I may have missed it). > > > > Section 4.2.2.12 of RFC 1122 (sorry, the section link doesn't work, though > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1122.html#page-87 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1122.html#page-87> gets most of the way > > there) has: > > > > A TCP SHOULD allow a received RST segment to include data. > > > > DISCUSSION > > It has been suggested that a RST segment could contain > > ASCII text that encoded and explained the cause of the > > RST. No standard has yet been established for such > > data. > > > > > > Ah, so including such text in 3.10.7.* would have elevated some discussion to a level not (yet) warranted. Makes sense, thank you. > > > > I look forward to the forthcoming Proposed Standard for TCP RSTs containing XML-encoded documents of error explainer text. :D > > _______________________________________________ > > tcpm mailing list > > tcpm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm >
- [tcpm] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc793… Erik Kline via Datatracker
- Re: [tcpm] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-tcpm-rf… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [tcpm] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-tcpm-rf… Erik Kline
- Re: [tcpm] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-tcpm-rf… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-tcpm-rf… Benjamin Kaduk