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Re: [tcpm] Working group acceptance call for draft-touch-tcpm-2140bis

"Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" <michael.scharf@nokia.com> Fri, 21 July 2017 17:03 UTC

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From: "Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" <michael.scharf@nokia.com>
To: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>, "tcpm@ietf.org" <tcpm@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Working group acceptance call for draft-touch-tcpm-2140bis
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Joe,

The feedback in the room is clearly different to your conclusion, as a substantial part of the community seems to see value in an informational document but not a BCP.

It is not uncommon that authors are convinced that their document warrants a more normative status than parts of the working group. But in that case it is up to the authors to work with the WG to reach consensus. The proposed charter milestone allows that.

I do not believe that the TCPM chairs should declare rough consensus on a BCP document, in particular not at early stage. It is TCPM's tradition to try to achieve unanimous consensus.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@isi.edu]
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <michael.scharf@nokia.com>;
> tcpm@ietf.org
> Cc: tcpm-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [tcpm] Working group acceptance call for draft-touch-tcpm-
> 2140bis
> 
> 
> Hi Michael, et al,
> 
> On 7/21/2017 2:37 AM, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) wrote:
> > If reviews would disagree with BCP status, a consensus call will be required
> and TCPM may decide to request publication as INFO instead, which would
> be a simple editorial change without wasting work.
> I disagree with both this approach and this conclusion.
> 
> The original RFC was informational because it provided no specific
> recommendations.
> 
> The whole point of this document centers around the concept of BCP:
> - a survey of existing deployed practice
> - an analysis of which behaviors are recommended and which should be
> corrected
> - an indication of the boundaries within which future deployments can be
> safe
> 
> If the WG were to decide that this doc were to be informational, then there
> would be no reason to have spent WG time and resources debating those
> issues, and (more to the point) the specific recommendations would need to
> be removed.
> 
> Speaking for myself both as author and WG member, I don't think it is useful
> to waste those resources if we don't have consensus to create a BCP
> document. Although any document could be reclassified at any time in the
> WG process, I see no reason to delay that debate for this document or treat
> it differently.
> 
> I.e., if there is insufficient WG consensus to move forward as BCP, I propose
> that this revision is not needed and we can save a lot of time and effort now.
> 
> Joe

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