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Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com> Fri, 16 August 2024 07:42 UTC

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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
To: Stuart Cheshire <cheshire=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "tcpm@ietf.org" <tcpm@ietf.org>
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Hi Stuart,

Thanks for you review! This draft has been sent to the IESG for publication. However, I think we can still take your editorial comments in together with any AD or IETF last call feedback. Please still send your comments if you have them!

Mirja



On 23.07.24, 22:07, "Stuart Cheshire" <cheshire=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:


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On Jun 28, 2024, at 02:30, Richard Scheffenegger wrote:


> This version updates the text in section 3.3.4 to differentiate between
> transmit and receive path TCP segmentation offload (TSO) and Large
> Receive Offload (LRO). In particular, more specific guidance is given
> what to consider when implementing AccEcn with TSO / LRO.
>
> Best regards,
> Richard Scheffenegger


Last weekend I read draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-29 from start to finish.


I want to start by congratulating and thanking the authors for an excellent document.


The idea of Accurate ECN could be described in one page; the rest of the document is a very thorough analysis of all the forwards- and backwards-compatibility issues -- legacy servers that don’t support Accurate ECN, buggy servers that don’t even implement classic ECN negotiation properly, poorly designed middleboxes that try to “help” TCP connections and actually mess them up.


This draft dates back to 2015. It is long overdue that we get it published. Apple has implemented Accurate ECN. Wireshark correctly decodes Accurate ECN. We’d love to see Accurate ECN supported in mainline Linux too, but the Linux networking maintainers are quite reasonably cautious about what they put in the Linux networking code. The want to see a Standards-Track RFC that shows it has received IETF review and consensus. CableLabs and Comcast are rolling out L4S, but TCP can’t use L4S without Accurate ECN. A lot of progress has been made here, but we’re starting to see progress being held up by the lack of RFC publication. What can I do to help?


I also have a couple of minor editorial comments which I will send in a separate email.


Stuart Cheshire


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