Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]

Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Fri, 03 October 2008 06:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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Chandrashekhar Appanna wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 10:30:30PM -0700, Joe Touch wrote:
> 
> 
> Chandrashekhar Appanna wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 02:33:29PM -0500, David Borman wrote:
>>>>> Ok, Wes and I count four opinions against and two opinions for having  
>>>>> "Updates: 793" in the header of tcpsecure.  Unless other folks chime  
>>>>> in, the resolution we see is:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) "Updates: 793" is not put in the header of tcpsecure
>>>>> 2) When we send tcpsecure up to the IESG, we will note this issue and  
>>>>> the discussion, and if the IESG feels that is appropriate to have  
>>>>> "Updates: 793" in the header, then it can be added in.
>>>>>
>>>>   My opinion is that since we believe these are 'good changes' and would
>>>>   expect newer code to follow these recomendataions, 'Updates' would be
>>>>   appropriate. 
>
> That's exactly what I don't expect. I expect these mods to be deployed
> ONLY where necessary, not in all newer code, FWIW. The idea that this is
> generally useful is the kind of misperception I would like to avoid...
> 
>>   Joe :)
> 
>>   While I do notice that you embody 'TCPM', and the chairs are just
>>   window dressing I would prefer that you
>>   let us provide out opinions and not jump in to mischaracterize my
>>   words to your ends ;)
> 
>>   I __did not__ say anthying to imply generally useful. But to _me_
>>   code is key.. it may be that you are more interested in a purely
>>   academic angle which does not affect the 'working internet'.. now
>>   I am putting words in your mouth.. are'nt I?

The working Internet is composed of more than just routers - at least
that's what I teach my students. ;-)

You made the case that newer code would add this mod. That implies
generality I think should be avoided.

Joe
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