Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chandrashekhar Appanna wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 10:30:30PM -0700, Joe Touch wrote: > > > Chandrashekhar Appanna wrote: >>>> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 02:33:29PM -0500, David Borman wrote: >>>>> Ok, Wes and I count four opinions against and two opinions for having >>>>> "Updates: 793" in the header of tcpsecure. Unless other folks chime >>>>> in, the resolution we see is: >>>>> >>>>> 1) "Updates: 793" is not put in the header of tcpsecure >>>>> 2) When we send tcpsecure up to the IESG, we will note this issue and >>>>> the discussion, and if the IESG feels that is appropriate to have >>>>> "Updates: 793" in the header, then it can be added in. >>>>> >>>> My opinion is that since we believe these are 'good changes' and would >>>> expect newer code to follow these recomendataions, 'Updates' would be >>>> appropriate. > > That's exactly what I don't expect. I expect these mods to be deployed > ONLY where necessary, not in all newer code, FWIW. The idea that this is > generally useful is the kind of misperception I would like to avoid... > >> Joe :) > >> While I do notice that you embody 'TCPM', and the chairs are just >> window dressing I would prefer that you >> let us provide out opinions and not jump in to mischaracterize my >> words to your ends ;) > >> I __did not__ say anthying to imply generally useful. But to _me_ >> code is key.. it may be that you are more interested in a purely >> academic angle which does not affect the 'working internet'.. now >> I am putting words in your mouth.. are'nt I? The working Internet is composed of more than just routers - at least that's what I teach my students. ;-) You made the case that newer code would add this mod. That implies generality I think should be avoided. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjlu1EACgkQE5f5cImnZrvbAwCgqeCmiyvqDR2lXcqAWec4HC1K fHkAoIPvQvgeatS0mam1LoSTRdEWiKry =xV9q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
- [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecur… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Mitesh Dalal (mdalal)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Ted Faber
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Murali Bashyam
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Stefanos Harhalakis
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Chandrashekhar Appanna
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Chandrashekhar Appanna
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Chandrashekhar Appanna
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Tom Petch