Re: Summary of responses so far and proposal moving forward [Was Re: [tcpm] Is this a problem?]

Mark Allman <mallman@icir.org> Mon, 26 November 2007 14:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: Summary of responses so far and proposal moving forward [Was Re: [tcpm] Is this a problem?]
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[hat on]

> I haven't spoken to Mark about this, so this is me speaking for myself.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:12:44AM -0800, Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote:
> > B) Do we think this is an issue to be dealt at the transport layer?
> > 
> >    Here there seems to be mixed reaction. Granted that there may be many
> > people feeling that this is an application issue and not a transport
> > issue.
> 
> That's not my assessment.
> 
> It looks to me that there is considerable resistance to standardizing 
> the proposed solution, both on the grounds of placement in the stack and
> on the limitations of the solution.  
> 
> [ For example, connections that advertise a large initial window and then
> read a byte every (proposed timer size -1) seconds will replicate the
> problem in the limit. Using timers alone penalizes stopped connections
> when there is no resource shortage. ]
> 
> Despite the fairly lively discussion, I have seen little support for
> standardizing this mechanism in TCP, outside the authors and their
> collaborators, and strong resistance from the members of the WG.  
> 
> Again, I'm not assessing consensus officially here, but that's how I see
> it.

My view is largely the same.  I think folks have a variety of reasoning
that leads them to the same place, as Ted notes above.

I would like to flip this around and ask for folks who might not have
chimed in yet, but do support this document to please speak up.

allman



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