Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]

Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Thu, 02 October 2008 17:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote:
>  
>> Given the 
>> complexity of that document, this label isn't going to help, 
>> and IMO will misdirect implementers to include this where it 
>> wasn't necessary.
> 
> We have already addressed the "mis-direction" case, by adding the qualifiers (SHOULD, MAY etc.,) and more importantly the applicability statement. Actually not adding "updates" would mis-direct the implementers, IMO.

Presumably we agree that most current mods to 793 don't include "Updates."

By that logic, adding "Updates" here flags this as more important or
more relevant than the current mods. Since I do not believe that is
accurate, that is the kind of misdirection I'm speaking to.

Joe
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