Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload in SYNs?
"Sergio Freire" <etfreire@ua.pt> Mon, 14 July 2008 22:45 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload in SYNs?
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Hi Joe et all, Yes, I think it would be a great idea to write an I-D concerning the use of TCP options in the payload.. what is the deadline? Sergio -----Original Message----- From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@ISI.EDU] Sent: segunda-feira, 14 de Julho de 2008 16:20 To: Joe Touch Cc: andre.zuquete@ua.pt; tcpm@ietf.org; Sérgio Freire Subject: Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload in SYNs? PS - if there's interest in this, we could pull together an I-D in time for Dublin, but it won't (didn't) make the individual deadline... Joe Joe Touch wrote: > Adam Langley wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Michael Scharf >> <michael.scharf@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote: >>> Even though RFC 793 explicitly allows payload in SYN segments, there >>> are TCP stacks that just seem to ignore it. Couldn't this offer an >>> opportunity to transport long TCP options in the payload of SYN >>> segments, instead of expanding the header option space? > > See Usenix 2008, "A TCP-layer Name Service for TCP Ports" > http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix08/tech/full_papers/freire/freire_h > tml/index.html > > > The authors, Sergio and Andre (cc'd), therein combine options in the > SYN payload with other mechanisms in a port-names solution. I have > spoken with them about cleanly separating the idea of data as payload > option space (i.e., removing other features that are distinct, e.g., > use of port 0, changing ports after the SYN, etc.), and basically we came up with: > > set a conventional option that says where the > payload option ends, within the SYN segment > (typically the end of that segment) > > wait for an ACK indicating that option is set > (could be set in advance), indicating the > options will be processed correctly > NB - the option is set in advance when > a sender speaks the option but has no > long options to send, or has long options > to send and is doing so. EITHER WAY > the option MUST occur, or the handshake > will fail. > > if the ACK does not confirm the ability to > process options in the data, then RST the > connection and retry without data options > > Note that this works only for the SYN segment, and it isn't clear how > it might interoperate with SYN cookies. It also ALWAYS consumes option > space, and MUST occur in the existing options. > > ... >> And that suggests that it's not just those OSes which ignore SYNs >> with payloads - it's also those which reject the packet completely. > > AFAICT, ACKing the SYN and not the data is compliant, but rejecting > the SYN entirely doesn't appear to be - it should be called a bug, IMO. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
- [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload in S… Michael Scharf
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Michael Scharf
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Caitlin Bestler
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Christian Huitema
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Sergio Freire
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] TCP Long Options - Why not as payload … Joe Touch