Re: [tcpm] Meeting Notes // TCP silent close issue

["Scharf, Michael" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Joe,

 

At least since I chair TCPM (i.e., since 2011), there has been no formal requirement of list discussion prior to a presentation at the very end of the TCPM meeting. This in particular applies to any TCP topic related to running code.

 

My impression is that in many cases such talks at the end of the TCPM slot have triggered interesting follow-up discussions.

 

In over 10 years I only recall some very few cases in which such presenations clearly were a waste of time (yes, the chairs indeed have made mistakes!).

 

So, all in all, I believe that the relatively liberal policy of accepting presentations has served us well. In a nutshell, my own philosophy has always been: Be liberal in accepting presentation requests, and be conservative in sending WG adoption calls…

 

Of course, such policies can be changed in future. There will be opportunities, soon-ish…

 

Michael

 

 

From: tcpm <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Meeting Notes // TCP silent close issue

 

On the issue below:

 

On Nov 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>  wrote:

 

(Incidentally, a question to the chair: aren’t topics with meeting times slots supposed to have at least been discussed on the list or drafted?)

Just on this question:

If time permits, we accept presentations without IDs if we think that having a discussion
in TCPM makes sense. In this particular case, the presentation was the last one and we used
only the remaining meeting time.

 

Without IDs sure, but without a single mention on the list?





In my experience a presentation in the meeting is triggering a discussion much easier than
just a post to the mailing list.

 

It trades a limited resource (meeting time) for the presenter’s effort; that seems the wrong optimization to me.

 

FWIW, it didn’t take all that long for me to summarize the issue, the proposed approach, *and* a solution not presented to the list.

 

Joe