Re: [tcpm] 793bis: IP ID

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Fri, 24 January 2020 14:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] 793bis: IP ID
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Text is needed here to deal with the current text in 1122. 793bis doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

Joe

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:08 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:
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> On 24/1/20 02:48, Joe Touch wrote:
>>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com <mailto:fgont@si6networks.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 23/1/20 11:54, Joe Touch wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk <mailto:gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think this is the wrong ID to discuss anything related to IPv4 ID.
>>>> I disagree.
>>>> It’s important to support the *requirement* in 6864 by explicitly indicating that the ID *MUST NOT* be used for duplicate segment detection in TCP.
>>> 
>>> With layering in mind, why would one want to do that?
>> Because the information in RFC1122 in section 4.2.2.15 needs to be integrated
> 
> Does it? It would seem to me that these IP ID tricks are an implementation-specific trick that would never be implemented in general-purpose implementations.
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> Even more, it would make even less sense in the light of the Internet moving towards IPv6 (albeit at a horrible pace), wheere the "IP ID" is not available in all packets.
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>> and corrected to bring it up to date with RFC6864, even if in the negative.
>> I.e., this doc should be very clear on two points:
>> - TCP MUST NOT attempt to control the IP ID to try to indicate duplicate sent segments
>> - TCP MUST NOT use the IP ID in trying to identify duplicate received segments
>> I.e., in summary, exactly to encode that layering.
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> My question here is whether we want to drag such (mostly obsolete) details into this more modern spec, or not.
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> It would seem yo me that a fresh reader of *this* 793bis would probably be quite puzzled when reading this sort of requirement that mostly have to do with what some implementations did ages ago...
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