Re: [tcpm] [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-grimes-tcpm-tcpsce-00.txt

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Sun, 21 July 2019 17:32 UTC

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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:32:15 -0400
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-grimes-tcpm-tcpsce-00.txt
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> On 21 Jul, 2019, at 1:27 pm, alex.burr@ealdwulf.org.uk wrote:
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> I could be wrong, but it appears to me that this draft does not merely not make use of draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn, it's incompatible with it. Is this the case? Of course SCE is a competitor to L4S, but the accurate-ecn draft also asserts that there are other uses for accurate-ecn besides L4S (DCTCP and ConEx) . It would be useful if you (the TCPSCE authors ) could state your position on those other uses, for the record. 

AccECN goes through a negotiation on the SYN and SYN-ACK phases before its use of NS/CWR/ECE bits is changed.  This is very important.  SCE's revised use of the NS bit comes into play only after that negotiation has established (to an AccECN-aware endpoint) that Classic ECN is in use.  This is actually similar to the old Nonce Sum spec, which the AccECN draft still seems to believe is current.

> Also, presumably it is incorrect that "There are no IANA considerations", since IANA would need to change the NS bit.

This may be true, and is another thing I'll work on with Rod when we have a moment.

 - Jonathan Morton