Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure
"Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" <ananth@cisco.com> Sat, 05 April 2008 18:30 UTC
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From: "Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" <ananth@cisco.com>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, tcpm@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure
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> > >I can only agree that randomization makes the attack harder to > >accomplish, but like you noted many systems don't do it today. > > Nowadays, at least FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Linux do it. Just for the sake of record, we have been doing port randomization in some of our main protocol stacks for about 3 years or so and the algorithms we follow are more less the ones recommended in the port randomization draft. > Yes. Something along the lines of "TCP port randomization > [draft-ietf-port-randomization] increases the amount of work on the > side of the attacker by obfuscating the TCP ephemeral port value" > > To make my point clear: I'm not saying you should make "statements" > on whether host should or should implement "icmp attacks" or "port > randomization". But you should note that the ICMP attacks are easier, > and direct people to the icmp attacks draft for more information > about this. And you should note that port randomization is a general > mitigation-technique for off-path attacks against TCP that require > more work on the side of the attacker to successfully perform > such attacks. One point which I wish to add : the long lived nature of some TCP connections gives enough time for the attacker (attack program) to successfully penetrate the connection. I'll leave it to the WG consensus to determine whether citing these references is ok at this point in the game. -Anantha _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
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- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
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- Re: [tcpm] ICMP error origination timeliness Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] ICMP error origination timeliness Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] ICMP error origination timeliness Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Ted Faber
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Ted Faber
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Ted Faber
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Ted Faber
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] Some comments on tcpsecure Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)