Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Fri, 19 February 2010 01:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks
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Joe Touch wrote: >> This would seem to imply that the TCPM WG has decided to deviate from >> the old IETF operating principle of "rough consensus and running code". > > The short answer is that there wasn't rough consensus for these changes > in the WG, as explained in the note in the text. I believe that the short answer is that *you* have done everything that was available to stop this document (and others) from moving forward. Requesting text to be added, then requesting the very same text to be taken out of the I-D. And at some point, we ended up changing the track, changing text, and changing whatever was out there just with the hope that you'd be happy, we'd stop wasting energy, and the document would be eventually published. It is interesting to note that one of the issues with with you have trashed this I-D is that it used vocabulary that could be taken as the draft "recommending" the described counter-measures. Yet, as the editor of the last version of the (close to infamous) TCP A-O effort, you have crafted this text: " There are other mechanisms proposed to reduce the impact of ICMP attacks by further validating ICMP contents and changing the effect of some messages based on TCP state" Note the use of the term "proposed". (that's specifically what I'm referring to). I believe this is the height of irony. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
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- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Jari Arkko
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Jari Arkko
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Fernando Gont
- [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Jari Arkko
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks David Harrington
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- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Jari Arkko
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Fernando Gont
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- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch
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- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Smith, Donald
- Re: [tcpm] TCPM and draft-ietf-tcpm-icmp-attacks Joe Touch