Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt-01
Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Mon, 28 July 2008 18:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt-01
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Rescorla wrote: | At Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:52:09 -0700, | Joe Touch wrote: |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |> Hash: SHA1 |> |> |> |> Eric Rescorla wrote: |> ... |> |> having a per-message counter is probably too much additional work. |> |> Having a "pseudo" extended sequence number is very little work |> |> (really, I've already implemented it) and that mean that we don't have |> |> to rekey faster than the 32-bit sequence rollover. However, the |> |> rekeying isn't all that painful anyway. |> | |> | It depends what you mean by rekeying. If it involves a new protocol |> | exchange it is incredibly painful. If you mean just running the kdf |> | again, I agree that's fine. |> |> Both ends' key mgt systems can run the kdf again and this should work |> fine. No need for on-the-wire exchanges, but no need to bury this into |> TCP-AO IMO either. | | Well, it needs to be used with TCP-AO regardless of which | integrity algorithm is used. Why wouldn't we want to | "bury" that in TCP-AO? The point of the split of TCP-AO and the key system was to leave the latter in the hands of SAAG. Since the key system MUST be used with TCP-AO, it's all part of the solution anyway. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiOCrEACgkQE5f5cImnZrtO9wCg3Gzwu2KIEFerjoenQhTd8Gri YSYAoNQT9zkuJLn75hBFjYF4zr2SF3sE =j2pz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
- [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt-01 Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Caitlin Bestler
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt… Eric Rescorla
- [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Eric Rescorla
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Adam Langley
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Caitlin Bestler
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-auth-opt issue: replay protection Ron Bonica