Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ] wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) [mailto:ananth@cisco.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:47 PM >> To: Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]; David Borman; Lars Eggert; >> tcpm@ietf.org >> Cc: Alfred HÎnes; Mitesh Dalal (mdalal); randall@lakerest.net; >> ext Joe Touch >> Subject: RE: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10] >> >> Wes, >> >>> >>> My personal opinion on the number of angels on the head of this >>> pin is that 3168 redefines bits that were formerly reserved. Thus >>> it "updates" the description of those bits in 793 (they're no longer >>> reserved). *Regardless* of the fact that 3168 is itself optional, >>> those bits are no longer available in the way 793 describes. *That* >>> is why it has to "update" even though it's optional itself. >>> >>> The tcpsecure document does not "update" in that sense, as it only >>> contains optional alternative state machine arcs; the arcs defined >>> in 793 are still able to be used in the way 793 describes ... they >>> aren't "updated", but there's now an alternative to them. >> Are you saying that we should construe that "alternate >> processing" doesn't update the RFC?. Now, the update itself >> can be optional. In other words, my point is that the current >> meaning and usage of "updates" is to be used for any updates >> to the RFC, irrespective of the fact it is minor, major or >> optional. Agreed that, currently there is fine granularity in >> describing an update i.e, "minor update, medium update or >> conditinal update " etc., until such a granularity is >> available, we should use the existing documented mechanisms. >> This is the reason I think it would be expedient to seek the >> advice of IESG in this matter. > > > My position is very simple: > What part of RFC 793 is no longer correct? Which text is no > longer accurate in RFC 793? > > With ECN, it's very clear, the answer is "the 2 reserved bits > are not reserved anymore". With tcpsecure, the answer is also > very clear: "nothing". You need to point to some part of 793 > that is actually updated and not just alternatively defined, > IMO. If 2581, 1323, and others don't update 793, then I don't > see how tcpsecure can have any valid claim to. > > That's just my personal opinion, though. This makes sense to me. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjioioACgkQE5f5cImnZrvyfACgk+tXUy6Q1TdshUpvN9Zixv/i 2FEAoNoBwdYFzVM+r0wokwbAaJKLJ3PI =q5ru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ tcpm mailing list tcpm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
- [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecur… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Mitesh Dalal (mdalal)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Ted Faber
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Murali Bashyam
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Stefanos Harhalakis
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[VZ]
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Chandrashekhar Appanna
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Chandrashekhar Appanna
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Chandrashekhar Appanna
- Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcps… Tom Petch