Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13.txt
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Mon, 20 May 2013 20:11 UTC
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On 5/20/2013 12:13 PM, Yuchung Cheng wrote:
> I suggest removing all these texts;
>
> """If a non-<RST> segment is received without a TSopt, a TCP MAY drop
> the segment and send an <ACK> for the last in-sequence segment. ""
> What's the point to ignore a perfectly fine data packet w/o TS-opt and
> respond a (DUP)ACK? the sender is probably may trigger fast recovery
> falsely. Responding ACKs is not going to make any forward progress on
> buggy implementations or middle-boxes.
>
> """ A TCP MUST NOT abort a TCP connection if a non-<RST> segment is
> received without a TSopt. """
> TCP should abort only if it's truly in trouble. so let's not
> re-emphasize the general rule of trying to keep things going until the
> last minute.
The text currently says:
Once TSopt has been successfully negotiated (sent and received)
during the <SYN>, <SYN,ACK> exchange, TSopt MUST be sent in every
non-<RST> segment for the duration of the connection, and SHOULD be
sent in a <RST> segment (see Section 4.2 for details). If a non-
<RST> segment is received without a TSopt, a TCP MAY drop the segment
and send an <ACK> for the last in-sequence segment. A TCP MUST NOT
abort a TCP connection if a non-<RST> segment is received without a
TSopt.
This wording leaves a few ambiguities:
- The first MUST implies some sort of uniform non-RST non-TSopt
processing, but the rest of the paragraph doesn't provide it.
- The last sentence implies that receipt of a RST non-TSopt could cause
an abort because of the lack of TSopt; it is because 'abort' is the
consequence of processed RST.
I suggest clarifying this as:
Once TSopt has been successfully negotiated (sent and received)
during the <SYN>, <SYN,ACK> exchange, TSopt MUST be sent in every
non-<RST> segment for the duration of the connection, and SHOULD be
sent in a <RST> segment (see Section 4.2 for details). If a non-
<RST> segment is received without a TSopt, a TCP MUST drop the
segment
and MAY also send an <ACK> for the last in-sequence segment.
A TCP MUST NOT abort a TCP connection because any segment lacks
an expected TSopt.
Joe
- [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13.txt internet-drafts
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Christoph Paasch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… l.wood
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Tim Shepard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Andre Oppermann
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Yuchung Cheng
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Jakob Heitz
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Pasi Sarolahti
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tcpm-1323bis-13… Joe Touch