Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and late follow-up
Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Tue, 24 May 2022 07:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and late follow-up
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I'll start by saying again that I think it is important to see this published as a PS (as others have noted), but I still think it needs additional text to say the process differs from the recommended IETF process and evaluation. I don't see how this will proceed without that text in some form as discussed at the IETF-113 meeting. Alas, I also do not think highlighting this only in the Shepherd write-up, just postpones this as a discussion item to the IETF-LC, which can't be a useful thing to do. I promised suggested text - but was unable to work on this after the meeting - sorry - so here goes, this is what I suggest: "RFC 5033 provides the current BCP guidelines for the community, describing what type of evaluation is expected by the IETF to understand the suitabiliuty of an alternate congestion control, and the process to enable a specification to be approved for widespread deployment in the global Internet. The present document does not update that IETF BCP. However, in the case of Cubic, there has been widespread deployment experience over a considerable period (4 years since publication of RFC 8312). This experience was thought to be sufficient to allow this publication as an IETF standards-track specification. There are areas in which the specified method differs from the previously method specified in published RFCs, some of which have been highlighted in this document. As a part of maintaining the congestion control document, future IETF work is expected to evaluate these differences and will if necessary update the relevent specifications." This is not aimed at changing anything in the cubic algorithm, but it is aimed at explaining why this spec did not conform to the process, and seeking to avoid setting a precedent for future methods - which I really think do continue to need to be evaluated in public both by researchers and developers at the IETF. Whether in future the IETF updates the BCP represented by RFC 5033 is another topic;-). Best wishes, Gorry
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- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft Yuchung Cheng
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- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft Yuchung Cheng
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- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft Neal Cardwell
- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and … Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and … Lars Eggert
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- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and … Markku Kojo
- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and … Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and … Markku Kojo
- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and … Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] Proceeding CUBIC draft - thoughts and … Markku Kojo