[tcpm] Coming back to my comments on AccECN wrt ACK Filtering
Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Wed, 17 February 2021 16:47 UTC
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Subject: [tcpm] Coming back to my comments on AccECN wrt ACK Filtering
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Bob, After the last IETF I promised to try simplify the comment on the new ACK Filtering text in ACCECN. I've included what the current draft says, and marked comments in the text as ">GF>" to try and be more specific about which words attracted the alst round of feedback: 3.3.3. Requirements for TCP ACK Filtering A node that implements ACK filtering (aka. thinning or coalescing) and itself also implements ECN marking will not need to filter ACKs from connections that use AccECN feedback. Therefore, such a node SHOULD detect connections that have negotiated the use of AccECN feedback during the handshake (see Table 2) and it SHOULD preserve the timing of each ACK (if it coalesced ACKs it would not be AccECN- compliant, but the requirement is stated as a "SHOULD" in order to allow leeway for pre-existing ACK filtering functions to be brought into line). >GF> What does that "SHOULD" really mean? As far as I know, many devices that have RFC3449-like behaviours operate over links that have some specific property that changes the packet timing (perhaps half-duple; or transmission aligned to assigned time slots, or whatever). I therefore don’t understand “preserve timing”. A node that implements ACK filtering and does not itself implement ECN marking does not need to treat AccECN connections any differently from other TCP connections. Nonetheless, it is RECOMMENDED that such nodes implement ECN marking and comply with the requirements of the previoius >GF> Typo paragraph. This should be a better way than ACK filtering to improve the performance of AccECN TCP connections. The rationale for these requirements is that AccECN feedback provides sufficient information to a data receiver for it to be able to monitor ECN marking of the ACKs it has sent, so that it can thin the ACK stream itself. This will eventually mean that ACK filtering in the network gives no performance advantage. Then TCP will be able to maintain its own control over ACK coalescing. This will also allow the TCP Data Sender to use the timing of ACK arrivals to more reliably infer further information about the path congestion level. >GF> /This will eventually mean/This might eventually mean/: because I think tis is an aspiration and maybe some nodes can use ECN to control ACK feedback, but is this always true? Given that link transmission can be very variable, and in the case of ACKs often becomes a limit per-packet rather than per-byte for typical data packets, I’m unsure how the implementation of ECN-marking against a variable jitter/capacity would interact with the capacity fluctuations from sharing media, or other physical layer propagation variations. I suggest this is an ambition rather than it necessarily being true that this will be better than any ACK Filtering method or FQ-style mitigation. Note that the specification of AccECN in TCP does not presume to rely on the above ACK filtering behaviour in the network, because it has to be robust against pre-existing network nodes that still filter AccECN ACKs, and robust against ACK loss during overload. Section 5.2.1 of [RFC3449] gives best current practice on ACK filtering (aka. thinning or coalescing). It gives no advice on ACKs carrying ECN feedback, because at the time is said that "ECN remain areas of ongoing research". This section updates that advice for a TCP connection that supports AccECN feedback. >GF> RFC3449 does however already note: “Appropriate treatment is also needed to preserve correct operation of ECN feedback (carried in the TCP header) [RFC3168].“, which you could say you are now expanding upon. >GF> I think the next section also hekps explains why ACK Filtering is less needed, if a sender uses offload, and reduces its ACK rate, then the -albeit *slightly* larger- AccECN ACKs are less frequent, and therefore can be expected to be less problematic. Gorry
- [tcpm] AccECN field order Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Scharf, Michael
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Scharf, Michael
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Scharf, Michael
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Neal Cardwell
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Martin Duke
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Joseph Touch
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Vidhi Goel
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Joseph Touch
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Vidhi Goel
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Vidhi Goel
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Joseph Touch
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Joseph Touch
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Joseph Touch
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Scharf, Michael
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tcpm] AccECN field order Yoshifumi Nishida
- [tcpm] Coming back to my comments on AccECN wrt A… Gorry Fairhurst
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