Re: [tcpm] Presentation slot requests for IETF 108 (online)

tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> Fri, 03 July 2020 09:19 UTC

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From: tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>
To: "Scharf, Michael" <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de>, "Rodney W. Grimes" <ietf@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Presentation slot requests for IETF 108 (online)
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From: tcpm <tcpm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Scharf, Michael <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de>
Sent: 03 July 2020 08:36

Rod,

Tim Wicinski has already mentioned that "update" metadata can be used to keep record of the history.

Also, I believe it is quite common in the IETF to rename I-Ds if they move between WGs. For individual submissions, this is probably not formally required, though.

The advantage of -tcpm- is that it is then more apparent on which list the discussion shall take place. Not all readers of I-Ds are familiar with all IETF internals.

<tp>
which is why it is a bad idea to rename I-D IMHO when the WG changes since it then requires a datatracker wonk to know where to go in the maze of IETF related pages to find what it was in a previous life, something WG Chairs do all the time but mere mortals may not.  When OSPF became LSR, the I-D were NOT renamed and very sensible it was too:-)
The only time a change of identifier is sensible is when an individual draft is adopted which happens to be another aspect of IETF internals that most outside the IETF will not be familiar with!.
Tom Petch
Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodney W. Grimes <ietf@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:21 PM
> To: Scharf, Michael <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de>
> Cc: Markus.Amend@telekom.de; tcpm@ietf.org; tcpm-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [tcpm] Presentation slot requests for IETF 108 (online)
>
> Michael,
>       Shouldnt the datatracker entry in its entierity be moved
> to tcpm since tcpm is now taking on the work of the closed mptcp wg?
> That way history of the document is preserved and can be easier
> to research.
>
>       I am not sure this is even possible, but loosing the
> provadence of a document because it moved WG's seems problematic.
>
> Regards,
> Rod
>
> > Markus,
> >
> > Thanks for the request.
> >
> > It may make sense to resubmit the I-D as -tcpm- if it shall be presented in
> TCPM. Then it shows up in datatracker in the right context.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Markus.Amend@telekom.de <Markus.Amend@telekom.de>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:55 AM
> > > To: Scharf, Michael <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de>de>; tcpm@ietf.org
> > > Cc: tcpm-chairs@ietf.org; kangjiao@huawei.com
> > > Subject: RE: Presentation slot requests for IETF 108 (online)
> > >
> > > Dear Michaels, Yoshi
> > >
> > > Since MPTCP WG is closed and TCPM takes care, Jiao and I would like to
> > > present implementation updates (probably also a new draft version -02)
> for
> > >
> > > * draft-amend-mptcp-robe / "Multipath TCP Robust Session
> Establishment"
> > > * Jiao Kang / Markus Amend
> > > * 20min
> > >
> > > Just in case we are not able to update the recent -01 to a -02, is it still
> > > required to move the -01 to TCPM before #108?
> > >
> > > Br
> > >
> > > Markus
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tcpm <tcpm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Scharf, Michael
> > > Sent: Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2020 09:15
> > > To: tcpm@ietf.org
> > > Cc: tcpm-chairs <tcpm-chairs@ietf.org>
> > > Subject: [tcpm] Presentation slot requests for IETF 108 (online)
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Given that we had a pretty packed agenda during the virtual interim
> meeting,
> > > the chairs have asked for two slots during IETF 108. This basically implies
> that
> > > we have again the 2:30 hour slot that TCPM used to have for many years.
> > >
> > > According to the draft agenda for IETF 108, TCPM has been scheduled for
> > > Monday Session I (1:40) and Monday Session II (0:50).
> > >
> > > If you are interested in presenting, please let the chairs know until
> > > **Monday 2020-07-13**:
> > >
> > > * Draft name / presentation title
> > > * Presenter
> > > * Total duration (including Q&A)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Michael (2x) and Yoshi
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > tcpm@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm
> >
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>
> --
> Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org

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