Re: [tcpm] Linux doesn’t implement RFC3465

Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@google.com> Mon, 02 August 2021 22:46 UTC

Return-Path: <ycheng@google.com>
X-Original-To: tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7143A1FD6 for <tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 2 Aug 2021 15:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -18.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.499, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lLpooWO9tARz for <tcpm@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 2 Aug 2021 15:46:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F22403A1FD5 for <tcpm@ietf.org>; Mon, 2 Aug 2021 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id l34-20020a05600c1d22b02902573c214807so468112wms.2 for <tcpm@ietf.org>; Mon, 02 Aug 2021 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FyyrhLS4dH7mC6TGDcf8Lwyp4vkM4i3KdS9yM7Dc6FM=; b=JI9itEllJJagcCVzgMKIEBb25829roEEoOdE7U7X+nuOyNS85n9LAGzg3YSIdH6R8N aeJ5Xve3j1lnpalrA8XdjYgAJ/IsQIP29h1qJ6ec+jN+tAOouKteC1UpvqoZ2c7dPDbz 9zlxY0n+0DPc3BFczcDv8RsWMqTNBQnN4ujcPIqdWV9Q6Ru3K8+LoC1HIoj4cjw3OHYf W/48womhH4/UKTv6mOKrHfGzSMEk2zGAOGSnWgpj0gOUgMleqM70Owzb0Q1XP6LG2xQ3 e9JrSXciPo/+5hBhJj4Y/QHVhiefL/Fwo7Z0PFnqz6q2pNhvGzZ/6NEZG1Aq8lH8U/WR ZZwA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FyyrhLS4dH7mC6TGDcf8Lwyp4vkM4i3KdS9yM7Dc6FM=; b=ny2nx0OQe2bZ+C3An11SCQtcdXzFTG0SaCP1Ub+doUMvp9IA67BhVJe5NT3wswtNbR R3vhQs6f3CKdISlke1ay7Z4Ij27j7OaNNouWGh3mUp4M+LRHS6QHkrESS1YQcz0py9C/ RBpN33bBunlLvdWteGlpow4gvWtZPJyPrtXrKSbdUcJWU5SG5JE7wu9hES9w9bxbMEZH VahB1PKNkN6xVuZbrS/X0pEUD7ogRTfo8m+itS3rPMsxAccLFVL9ZUum5z23rwJZvwFy 93agnvdMIiNhaw+yvo0p3TcDQDJiuhg4pHixRF4gwNSYdOZoGvYZp8CVgB4tkGuXpmSk osSQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533oqJmIkzYvdwWHh9GB/RAhowPvs5WvuMam6Mxs9a4gaH1NS4Bc zkKDcDJ4zkTUFASvk5ENuj/Z6WLjDDogvAASBGF/4g==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz/uLJIOLyHlOs/gKOFkRDBsdm5DoIjQ3usJwi4shxsnDIkfgmcSe0vlLYPP0gPZ747Fmo83FzeyAe7j88r8Xg=
X-Received: by 2002:a7b:ce10:: with SMTP id m16mr1030083wmc.75.1627944375659; Mon, 02 Aug 2021 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <78EF3761-7CAF-459E-A4C0-57CDEAFEA8EE@apple.com> <CADVnQynkBxTdapXN0rWOuWO3KXQ2qb6x=xhB35XrMU38JkX2DQ@mail.gmail.com> <601D9D4F-A82C-475A-98CC-383C1F876C44@apple.com> <54699CC9-C8F5-4CA3-8815-F7A21AE10429@icsi.berkeley.edu> <DF5EF1C7-0940-478A-9518-62185A79A288@apple.com> <E150D881-4AB3-4AEA-BE0C-1D4B47B2C531@icir.org> <CADVnQynjE+D-OSvdOVROjT3y1cnHHWqdNQSmphLAJ+HsBTUAJQ@mail.gmail.com> <A1B50403-2405-4348-9626-025D255DEAE7@icir.org> <CADVnQykM8p-bVz_oPrje1yNh9_7_isAUL+wnQWDoY9Gs18sLPQ@mail.gmail.com> <11FE4818-87E7-4FD8-8F45-E19CD9A3366A@apple.com> <CAK6E8=fFWAE_NSr45i2mdh6NmYDusUFW3GYGtuo-FcL07sox9A@mail.gmail.com> <D6B865F7-9865-4B6F-986B-F44ABE5F12B0@apple.com> <756432D9-4331-454D-82EB-346CF54A355E@icir.org> <CAK6E8=c+KeQxWJq0e98hY9XsQ2vhdr3SiKkypC7kwdZbBRgdXA@mail.gmail.com> <A39F73BE-4BF1-479D-911F-0CAC6D91D924@icir.org>
In-Reply-To: <A39F73BE-4BF1-479D-911F-0CAC6D91D924@icir.org>
From: Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@google.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 15:45:37 -0700
Message-ID: <CAK6E8=eEnVtMNBpu0noFAud4BTWdupCH+QY1beFjTtD9ADkK5g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Mark Allman <mallman@icir.org>
Cc: Vidhi Goel <vidhi_goel@apple.com>, Neal Cardwell <ncardwell@google.com>, Extensions <tcpm@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003a2c2605c89b5652"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tcpm/mycEg-AwWuhY3GS3LECl-SE21mY>
Subject: Re: [tcpm] =?utf-8?q?Linux_doesn=E2=80=99t_implement_RFC3465?=
X-BeenThere: tcpm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions Working Group <tcpm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tcpm>, <mailto:tcpm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tcpm/>
List-Post: <mailto:tcpm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tcpm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm>, <mailto:tcpm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2021 22:46:23 -0000

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 3:37 PM Mark Allman <mallman@icir.org> wrote:

>
> > The fact is that Linux CC has long moved to infinite L since 2031,
>
> So, if our experience is with L=\infinity and it is demonstrably OK
> why don't we say *THAT* instead of "make L=5 or L=10"?  I would
> submit that it makes more sense to leverage experience than it does

to make things up.
>
+1


>
> allman
>