Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on the outline of the document
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Thu, 03 September 2009 19:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on the outline of the document
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Hello, Toby, > opinions on this document that are clearly incompatible. One key thing, > regardless of how we actually decide to split the work, Fernando's > current ToC is too long... 3 pages of ToC is excessive. Well, it's a large document. Even If we reduce the number of top-level sections, the ToC would most likely still be that large (or it wouldn't be useful). > I think the > sections aren't grouped at a high enough level (e.g. connection > establishment and tear-down could be in one section on connection > management, buffer management and re-assembly could probably be grouped > into memory management, etc). I agree. Please let me have another look, and try to come up with something. > This is separate to any consideration as > to whether you should be presenting things in a completely different > order... I think Joe actually raised this before... I don't think this is what Joe raised. For the most part, he argued to organize the information on a per-attack-type basis. Anyway, you did raise it... so,.. point taken. >> Again: the goal of this document is helping TCP implementers harden >> their TCPs. And for that target, having everything about a protocol >> field in a single place is the only document outline that does not get >> in the middle of the developer and the implementation. If you spread >> the >> advice among lots of places, this is what will happen: some > mitigations >> will be missed. > > So if this is entirely aimed at implementers shouldn't that be > explicitly stated in the title? I appreciate that in theory BCP is meant > to imply implementation guidance but this might be more appropriately > titled something like "Implementers guidelines for mitigating TCP > security threats" or "Guidance on secure implementation of TCP" Point taken. How about "Guidance on secure implementation of the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP)"? Thanks! Kind regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
- [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on the … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-MS00)[Verizon]
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … toby.moncaster
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Alfred Hönes
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … toby.moncaster
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-MS00)[Verizon]
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] tcp-security: Request for feedback on … Fernando Gont