Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Tue, 14 April 2009 18:12 UTC
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Cc: "'tcpm@ietf.org'" <tcpm@ietf.org>, "'ietf@ietf.org'" <ietf@ietf.org>, Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU>, "Smith, Donald" <Donald.Smith@qwest.com>, 'Joe Abley' <jabley@ca.afilias.info>, "'opsec@ietf.org'" <opsec@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security
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Lars Eggert wrote: > I agree with Joe that some of the hardening techniques that vendors are > implementing come with consequences (make TCP more brittle). To me, this > is a *reason* this document should be published via the IETF (i.e., > TCPM) - we are probably in the best position to correctly evaluate and > classify the impact of various hardening techniques. Stack vendors have > been putting these mechanisms in to their stacks without clear > specifications and discussions of the potential upsides and downsides > that would let them make an educated decision. It seems clear to me that > the vendor community is looking for guidance here, and I do believe the > IETF should give it. This is the reason for which the output of the CPNI project was submitted as an IETF I-D. Kind regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
- [tcpm] draft-gont-tcp-security Eddy, Wesley M. (GRC-RCN0)[Verizon]
- Re: [tcpm] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Smith, Donald
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Smith, Donald
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Smith, Donald
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Todd Glassey
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Todd Glassey
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Lars Eggert
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] [OPSEC] draft-gont-tcp-security Joe Touch