Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urgent-data-01.txt)
Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Wed, 24 June 2009 02:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urgent-data-01.txt)
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks, that does clarify things. Joe David Borman wrote: > Yes, the intention is to change the definition. It was my note, and I > thought that's what I said: > >> 2) Change the definition of the Urgent Pointer (defined in RFC 1122) >> to match the definition on page 17 of RFC 793, which is what most >> implementations use. > > So, no ambiguity intended, we change the spec to match the implementations. > > -David Borman > > > On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> Fernando Gont wrote: >>> Joe Touch wrote: >>> >>>> I'm wondering about #2. It's worth noting that implementations don't >>>> follow the specs, but I'm getting increasingly concerned about >>>> continuing to publish docs that say "implementations don't follow spec" >>>> without actually either saying "and the spec is hereby changed" or "and >>>> implementations are noncompliant and should be fixed". >>> >>> Joe, you had agreed with #2 at the meeting we had in Minneapolis. What >>> changed since then? >>> >>> P.S.: As there is no practical difference between "points to the last >>> byte of urgent data" vs. "points to the byte following the last byte of >>> urgent data", and since all implementations do the later, it does make >>> sense to change the specs. You had agreed with this reasoning at MPLS. >>> -- I'm now puzzled. >> >> I didn't see in Gorry's note anything about saying we were changing the >> specs. As I said, I don't really care whether we change the specs or >> declare the implementation incorrect in general. If we've already agreed >> that this will be a standards track update to 1122, that's fine (I just >> didn't see it mentioned in Gorry's note). >> >> In general, we should always *try* to take a stand when implementations >> differ from the standard. This looks like a case where that's possible, >> so I was just noting that we should do so. >> >> Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpBiesACgkQE5f5cImnZrtcWQCg08smUBFXIo1TJw1oBzdwI5Ks BA0AnR0a10gY+RqssAo8GuFZ0axKtEvS =wTA9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Joe Touch
- [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urgent-… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… David Borman
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… David Borman
- [tcpm] [Fwd: Re: urgent data draft (draft-gont-tc… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Fernando Gont
- Re: [tcpm] urgent data draft (draft-gont-tcpm-urg… Joe Touch
- [tcpm] [Fwd: Re: urgent data draft (draft-gont-tc… Fernando Gont