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Re: [tcpm] [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-tcpm-yang-tcp-07

"touch@strayalpha.com" <touch@strayalpha.com> Mon, 04 July 2022 21:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-tcpm-yang-tcp-07
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On Jul 4, 2022, at 1:40 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
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> Joe,
>  
> I think we disagree on the nature of network management.
> 
> In 30+ years dealing with various networks I never set anything via SNMP nor YANG, but used network management tools for monitoring extensively. Starting a long long time back with HP OpenView 

People also routinely use hammers to open bottles, but that does mean we should design hammers to be bottle openers.

> You’re describing a debugging too, not a network management tool.
> 
> Nope ... sorry, Monitoring is far less demanding then debugging.  

Perhaps, but the parameters being discussed as “missing” are not monitoring either. There is no reason a MIB or YANG model should be the only tool that exposes things like a zero-window attack.

Joe

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