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Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@google.com> Mon, 03 June 2019 19:09 UTC

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From: Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@google.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 12:09:15 -0700
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] Progressing draft-ietf-tcpm-converters
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Harris <jgh@wizmail.org> wrote:
>
> On 03/06/2019 18:58, Yuchung Cheng wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:37 AM Jeremy Harris <jgh@wizmail.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 29/05/2019 17:27, Praveen Balasubramanian wrote:
> >>> 2. Ability to RECEIVE data in SYN payload on server. This is only supported on all OS *after* 3WHS is completed. This is per RFC 793. The only exception is if TFO API is used, and then if cookie is validated the application will  receive early-data. There is no way to retrieve early data otherwise.
> >>
> >> There is a bit in the tcp_fastopen sysctl for Linux described so:
> >>
> >>     0x200: (server) accept data-in-SYN w/o any cookie option present.
> >>
> >> It doesn't say explicitly that the data is presented to the application
> >> (neither does the doc for the with-cookie server TFO control bit).
> >> Does anybody know whether it is?
> > I am not sure what you mean - what is "it" in your last question?
>
> Whether the data, that arrived on the SYN, is available to the
> application (before, the item I forgot to specify, the ACK for the
> SYN,ACK arrives at the server).
Then answer is yes (if not clear from my previous post).

>
> > when this option is used (0x200), TFO will accept the data in SYN w/o
> > or w/ any cookie. Accept(2) will return in 3WHS. but note that SYN-ACK
> > is returned immediately upon receiving SYN-data in this mode. so this
> > mode will not support the latest tcpm-converter proposal where SYN-ack
> > is delayed upon (in-data) cookie verification and proxy 3WHS
> > completion. This change requires non-trivial implementation for a
> > listener handling millions of requests in Linux.
>
> That's a separate point of interest, as is whether it will ever be
> feasible to carry data on the SYN,ACK (either for cookieless or
> cookieful mode).
>
> --
> Cheers,
>   Jeremy
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