Re: [tcpPrague] One additional edit for draft-black-tsvwg-ecn-experimentation-01.txt

"Black, David" <David.Black@dell.com> Sat, 29 October 2016 00:56 UTC

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To: Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net>
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Got it, I changed "reduced" to "changed" in the new text.

Thanks, --David


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Briscoe [mailto:ietf@bobbriscoe.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 5:46 PM
> To: Black, David
> Cc: tsvwg@ietf.org; tcpPrague@ietf.org; tcpm-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: One additional edit for draft-black-tsvwg-ecn-experimentation-01.txt
> 
> David,
> 
> 
> On 25/10/16 21:56, Black, David wrote:
> > This version picks up all the review comments, with the exception of Bob
> Briscoe's -
> > Bob sent me a very extensive review privately that merits spending another
> version
> > of the draft on - watch for a -02 version of this draft soon.
> In addition to my prior offlist review comments, here's one more I
> noticed, while checking the -01:
> 
> 2. Scope
> 
> CURRENT:
>     ECT Differences:  Use ECT(1) to request ECN congestion marking
>        behavior in the network that differs from ECT(0), e.g., as
>        proposed in [I-D.briscoe-tsvwg-ecn-l4s-id].  This is at variance
>        with RFC 3168's requirement that ECT(0)-marked traffic and ECT(1)-
>        marked traffic not receive different treatment in the network.
> PROPOSED:
>     ECT Differences:  Use ECT(1) to request more frequent ECN congestion
> marking
>        behavior in the network counterbalanced by a reduced response to
> each mark
>        at the sender, both of which differ from ECT(0), e.g., as
>        proposed in [I-D.briscoe-tsvwg-ecn-l4s-id].  This is at variance
>        with RFC 3168's requirement that ECT(0)-marked traffic and ECT(1)-
>        marked traffic not receive different treatment.
> RATIONALE:
> L4S alters both sender and network behaviour, not just network.
> 
> 
> Bob
> >
> > Thanks, --David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:52 PM
> > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > Subject: I-D Action: draft-black-tsvwg-ecn-experimentation-01.txt
> >
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> >
> >
> >          Title           : Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Experimentation
> >          Author          : David Black
> > 	Filename        : draft-black-tsvwg-ecn-experimentation-01.txt
> > 	Pages           : 10
> > 	Date            : 2016-10-25
> >
> > Abstract:
> >     Multiple protocol experiments have been proposed that involve changes
> >     to Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) as specified in RFC 3168.
> >     This memo summarizes the proposed areas of experimentation to provide
> >     an overview to the Internet community and updates RFC 3168, a
> >     Proposed Standard RFC, to allow the experiments to proceed without
> >     requiring a standards process exception for each Experimental RFC to
> >     update RFC 3168.  In addition, this memo makes related updates to the
> >     ECN specification for RTP in RFC 6679 for the same reason.  Each
> >     experiment is still required to be documented in an Experimental RFC.
> >     This memo also records the conclusion of the ECN Nonce experiment in
> >     RFC 3540, obsoletes RFC 3540 and reclassifies it as Historic.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-black-tsvwg-ecn-experimentation/
> >
> > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-black-tsvwg-ecn-experimentation-01
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-black-tsvwg-ecn-experimentation-01
> >
> >
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