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Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Wed, 28 October 2020 16:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
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Thanks Kiran, It is getting markedly better. I'll wait for Jie, Luis, and Jeff before I look at the draft again. A -----Original Message----- From: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com> Sent: 28 October 2020 15:53 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG' <teas@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt Thanks Adrian, According to authors the current text in this document is just enough to provide clarity on the IETF network slice concept. I remember you wanted current section 5 to be removed but we felt it's important and pruned it quite a bit - we will further combine section 5 and 10 to define end-to-end slices relationship and the structure in one place. Other than that, we are waiting for revision on isolation contribution from Jie, Luis, and Jeff. Yes, end-to-end slicing will need quite a bit of explanation but minimal description here is also important to show the scope of IETF network slices in the broader concept. I hope that the mailing list this time agrees that it is a reasonable terminology-set. -Kiran > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:44 AM > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG' > <teas@ietf.org> > Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf- > network-slice-definition-00.txt > > Kiran, all, > > I want to thank the authors of this draft for their work and for listening. > This version of the draft is a *substantial* improvement. > > Of course, I still have some issues I'd like to work through. Some of my concerns > are "just" language usage where the choice of words or phrasing means > something that I don't think the authors intend. Other concerns are about the > details. But all in all, this is going in the right direction. > > I still think there is too much text in this definitions document. I think that is a > natural result of having several documents in the pipe at the same time. There > is explanation of how things work and hang together that, in my opinion, > should relocate to other documents - maybe the framework, maybe dedicated > applicability statements. For example, I can see value in a document explaining > how IETF network slices fit into the models of "end-to-end network slices" as > conceived in other SDOs. > > Best, > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kiran Makhijani > Sent: 22 October 2020 07:12 > To: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org> > Subject: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network- > slice-definition-00.txt > > Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt, > FYI: Please find new version of IETF network slices (previously called transport > slices) definition document. > > This is still a work in progress document but several comments and feedback > received till now have been addressed. We want to share updates so far and > look forward to further comments and discussion. > > Thanks > -Authors > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 11:00 PM > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; Luis Contreras > <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>; Reza Rokui > <reza.rokui@nokia.com>; Shunsuke Homma > <shunsuke.homma.ietf@gmail.com>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>; > Luis M. 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