[Teas-ns-dt] More comments on the definitions draft (part 2)
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From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@ericsson.com>
To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>
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Subject: [Teas-ns-dt] More comments on the definitions draft (part 2)
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Section 4.2:
4.2. Transport Slice Structure
Very good otherwise, but please delete:
As shown in Figure 1, an E2E network slice might have one or more of
"Transport Slices" and one or more of "Other Slices" of any
combinations.
As that really should be independent of your discussion of what is a transport slice.
The interface to higher operations systems should
be technology-agnostic, and slice customers don't need to recognize
concrete configurations based on the technologies (e.g being more
declarative than imperative).
I think you are trying to say that whatever you request should be
agnostic, not that the interface on which you request things is
actually agnostic. E.g., you could request “100 Mbit/s connection between
A and B” but send this request over a HTTP2 interface with YANG or XML-based
data objects describing your bandwidth requirement.
How about this:
The interface to higher operations systems should express the needed
connectivity in a technology-agnostic way, and slice customers don't need to recognize
concrete configurations based on the technologies (e.g being more
declarative than imperative).
Sections 4.2.1 and 4.2.2:
I continue to worry that you’re trying to specify the framework. Why do we have two
documents? What in your view should the framework say beyond this?
More specific comments on text:
The TSC Northbound Interface is a
bidirectional and an asynchronous interface between a higher level
System
I think the “bidirection and async” part could be interpreted in multiple different ways. Are you talking about logical aspects, e.g., either one can tell the other one something? Or about a specific realization of this interface? But one could still have for instance both sides be able to call the other side synchronously (as an RPC call) even if both sides can initiate an action. But I’m not sure we need to get to this level of detail.
Suggestion: delete those words.
Section 5:
5. Transport Slice System Characteristics
It feels like this should come earlier in the document, right after the definition, because we’re talking about the SLOs in the definition.
Section 5.1:
Good stuff.
Section 5.1.1:
This needs to be framed just as the other characteristics in 5.1. I also don’t believe terms hard and soft isolation are well defined, as for instance, specific resource reservation is not required for a guarantee against bandwidth not being available.
Jari
- [Teas-ns-dt] More comments on the definitions dra… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] More comments on the definitions… Kiran Makhijani