Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed text addition to the controller section
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From: Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com>
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That is a reasonable suggestion. Thanks! -- Eric From: Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:18 PM To: Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com> Cc: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo@huawei.com>om>; Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>om>; Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <reza.rokui@nokia.com>om>; Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@ericsson.com>om>; John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed text addition to the controller section Importance: High Hi Eric, On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:51 AM Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com<mailto:eric.gray@ericsson.com>> wrote: Xufeng, So, what we are trying to say is that some information (we say “details”) could be provided between the Transport Slice consumer and the TSC via an NBI. That statement is intended as a high-level summary and – because we are not defining the “details” of the NBI in this document – the actual details are (of course) out of scope (this is pretty much a tautology; it would be curiously weird, actually, to describe the details and then say that describing the details is out of scope). Right. That is my feeling. Replacing one of these "details" would be better. Do you have any suggestion for how we could make this clearer at the intended level, and without providing information we do not intend to provide? Maybe using "the applied configuration, selected policies, and operational state", or something like that. Like mentioned, anything other than "details" would sound better. If you do have a proposal that folks can get behind, I would be happy to put it in for the “-01” version… -- Eric From: Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 9:36 AM To: Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com<mailto:eric.gray@ericsson.com>> Cc: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org<mailto:teas-ns-dt@ietf.org>; Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo@huawei.com<mailto:lana.wubo@huawei.com>>; Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com<mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com>>; Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <reza.rokui@nokia.com<mailto:reza.rokui@nokia.com>>; Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@ericsson.com<mailto:jari.arkko@ericsson.com>>; John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net<mailto:jdrake@juniper.net>> Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed text addition to the controller section Importance: High Hi Eric and All, This section looks good to me. I have one minor comment in-line below. Thanks, - Xufeng On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:23 AM Eric Gray <eric.gray=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: Based on Reza’s Pull #8 and the extensive discussion that followed, I plan to add the following text to the framework document: Transport Slice Controller (TSC) The transport slice controller takes abstract requests for transport slices and implements them using a suitable underlying technology. A transport slice controller is the key building block for control and management of the transport slice. It provides the creation/modification/deletion, monitoring and optimization of transport Slices in a multi-domain, a multi-technology and multi-vendor environment. In discussion in this document, a southbound interface (SBI) is used as a logical construct (that may or may not exist in practice) representing mechanisms used by the TSC in communicating with the underlying (abstract) network. A TSC northbound interface is needed for communicating details of a transport slice, The word "details" here is vague to me. To what extent of the "details" the NBI needs to communicate? what kind of details? The next sentence says "The details for this NBI are not in scope", making the term here more confusing. May I suggest some rewording? Maybe: "the applied configuration, selected policies, and operational state"? as well as providing information to a slice requester/consumer about transport slice status and performance. The details for this NBI are not in scope for this document. The controller provides the following functions: * Provides a technology-agnostic NBI for creation/modification/ deletion of the transport slices. The API exposed by this NBI communicates the endpoints of the transport slice, transport slice SLO parameters (and possibly monitoring thresholds), applicable input selection (filtering) and various policies, and provides a way to monitor the slice. * Determines an abstract topology connecting the endpoints of the transport slice that meets criteria specified via the NBI.The TSC also retains information about the mapping of this abstract topology to underlying components of the transport slice as necessary to monitor transport slice status and performance. * Provides "Mapping Functions" for the realization of transport slices. In other words, it will use the mapping functions which: - map technology-agnostic NBI request to technology-specific SBIs. - map filtering/selection information as necessary to entities in the underlay network. * Via an SBI, the controller collects Telemetry data (e.g. OAM results, Statistics, States etc.) for all elements in the abstract topology used to realize the transport slice. * Using the Telemetry data from the underlying realization of a transport slice (i.e. services/paths/tunnels), evaluates the current performance against transport slice SLO parameters and exposes them to the transport slice consumer via the NBI. The TSC NBI may also include a capability to provide notification in case the transport slice performance reaches threshold values defined by the transport slice consumer. -- Teas-ns-dt mailing list Teas-ns-dt@ietf.org<mailto:Teas-ns-dt@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas-ns-dt
- [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs proposed t… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezas proposed… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Wubo (lana)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Rezaâs propos… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Wubo (lana)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Eric Gray
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- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Wubo (lana)
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- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Wubo (lana)
- [Teas-ns-dt] 答复: Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Wubo (lana)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Wubo (lana)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Pull-request #8: Reza’s proposed… Eric Gray