Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Comment to definitions draft in today's call -- logical vs abstract vs virtual

+1 to “logical”

Regards,
Jeff

> On Mar 5, 2020, at 10:06, Eric Gray <eric.gray=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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> Yes, the separation of virtual and real is a big part of the “freight” that “virtual” carries.
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> At a “Disruptive Technologies” class given at AT&T decades ago, the teacher told us “Whenever you hear ‘virtual’ – you should interpret this as ‘I am lying.’”
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> This is only a perception thing, but that does not mean it is not just as real as if it were real.  In way too many cases, virtual is used explicitly to distinguish it from reality.  For example, “virtual reality” is pretty much never considered to include “real reality.”  😊
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> I tend to prefer “logical” in this context, over either “virtual” or “abstract” – in no small part because “abstract” also has “freight.” “Abstract” is often considered to be similar in meaning to “surreal” – which is very unlikely to be what we mean by an “abstract topology” for example.  I cannot wrap my head around the notion of a network designed (for instance) by either Salvador Dali, or M.C. Escher.
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> But these are minor preferences.  With the exception of context-related cases (where we need to use the terminology that fits best in a given context), I think we should try to be consistent and I am fine with any term everyone can live with.
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> From: Teas-ns-dt <teas-ns-dt-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 12:35 PM
> To: LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>om>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Comment to definitions draft in today's call -- logical vs abstract vs virtual
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> I think that logical (or even abstract) is more comprehensive since virtual reminds to some kind of virtualization of the underlying resources, but a slice could naturally involve (dedicated) physical resources. So that is why I'm inclined to use logical as a more generic term.
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> Virtualization has nothing to do with “select” only physical resources but instead is related to select underlying resources (physical or abstract) in the prospective to a particular customer, application or service.
> If this was your problem with virtual , it is not a problem.
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> Regards
> SErgio
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> From: Teas-ns-dt <teas-ns-dt-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:12 PM
> To: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org
> Subject: [Teas-ns-dt] Comment to definitions draft in today's call -- logical vs abstract vs virtual
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> Hi all,
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> Apologies, I experienced problems in the call today, not being able for me to speak up (even I lost part of the discussions, apologies again).
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> I wrote my preference in the chat, I think you couldn’t echoed.
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> So respect to the discussion of preference for logical  vs abstract vs virtual, I think that logical (or even abstract) is more comprehensive since virtual reminds to some kind of virtualization of the underlying resources, but a slice could naturally involve (dedicated) physical resources. So that is why I'm inclined to use logical as a more generic term.
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> Note that in the operators’ vocabulary today “virtual” has further connotations (exceeding the transport part), so can be an overloaded term in some end-to-end scenarios.
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> Best regards
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> Luis
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