Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation
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From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation
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Hi Kiran and all, Your concern is part of the reason that I suggest to describe the requirement and realization of isolation separately. Firstly, multi-dimension can help to clarify the different requirements related to isolation, such as traffic separation and interference avoidance, in my understanding both of which can be raised by a customer as requirement, and they do not reflect implementation details. Then the implementation-specific mechanisms could be briefly described to match each dimension of the requirement. The sentence you added in the end of the paragraph looks good, while maybe it could be better if such requirement description be moved to the beginning of the paragraph. Please check the modified text below: A consumer of transport slice may ask for isolation from other transport slices. The term “isolation” can refer to multiple dimensions of requirements, such as traffic separation, or interference avoidance, or both. Accordingly, from realization’s perspective, traffic separation can be provided by VPN technologies, and interference avoidance may be provided by mechanisms such as capacity planning, policing or shaping, priority mechanisms, selecting dedicated resources, and so on. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Best regards, Jie From: Kiran Makhijani [mailto:kiranm@futurewei.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 9:30 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>om>; Jari Arkko <jari.arkko=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>rg>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org Subject: RE: Appendix text on isolation Hi Jie, and all, One argument against using isolation as an SLO is that it is an implementation specific detail that customer should not have to (always) concern with. So I am not comfortable with the use of ‘multi-dimensional’. One way to separate realization and customer requirement may be we can use business objective/case. May be we can add, one sentence at the end of the original paragraph. What do you think? The term “isolation” implies in part traffic separation (a common feature in VPNs) and in part the selection of dedicated resources. Dedicated resources can help assure that, for instance, traffic in other slices does not affect a given slice. However, it should also be noted that this is one particular realization of a requirement for guarantees, and other mechanisms may also be used, such as priority mechanisms or policing amount of traffic entering a link from different sources. Business objectives may require a customer to ask for explicit traffic separation or interference avoidance mechanisms. -Kiran From: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com<mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:15 AM To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:jari.arkko=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org<mailto:teas-ns-dt@ietf.org> Cc: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com<mailto:kiranm@futurewei.com>> Subject: RE: Appendix text on isolation Hi Jari, Thanks for considering most of my comments in this revision. And as mentioned yesterday and in my previous email, I’d like to suggest whether the description about isolation could be rephrased a bit, so as to better clarify the requirement and realization of isolation in different dimensions. The term “isolation” can refer to multiple dimensions of requirements. A customer may ask for traffic separation or interference avoidance, or both. Accordingly, from realization’s perspective, traffic separation can be provided by VPNs, and interference avoidance can be provided by mechanisms such as capacity planning, priority mechanisms, policing or shaping, selecting dedicated resources, and so on. Hope this helps. Best regards, Jie From: Teas-ns-dt [mailto:teas-ns-dt-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:26 PM To: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org<mailto:teas-ns-dt@ietf.org> Cc: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com<mailto:kiranm@futurewei.com>> Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Here’s a suggested 2nd revision of the suggested text, based on yesterday’s comments on the call and Kiran’s email. Transport slices are perceived as if slice was provisioned for the customer as a dedicated network with specific SLOs. These committed SLOs for a given customer should be maintained during the life-time of the slice even in the face of potential disruptions. Such disruptions include sudden traffic volume changes either from the customer itself or others, equipment failures in the service provider network, and various misbehaviors or attacks. The service provider needs to ensure that their network can provide the requested slices with the availability agreed with its customers. Some of the main technical approaches to ensuring guarantees are about network planning, managing capacity, priority mechanisms, policing or shaping customer traffic, selecting dedicated resources, and so on. One term that has commonly been also used in this context is "isolation". This is discussed further in the framework draft [I-D.nsdt-teas-ns-framework] and has also been a topic in [I-D.ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn]. The term “isolation” implies in part traffic separation (a common feature in VPNs) and in part the selection of dedicated resources. Dedicated resources can help assure that, for instance, traffic in other slices does not affect a given slice. However, it should also be noted that this is one particular realization of a requirement for guarantees, and other mechanisms may also be used, such as priority mechanisms or policing amount of traffic entering a link from different sources. It should also be noted that neither dedicated resources or the other mechanisms can provide a 100% guarantee against problems. To maintain protection against resource and equipment failures techniques such as redundancy are needed.
- [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Luis M. Contreras
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Jari Arkko
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Xufeng Liu
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Appendix text on isolation Eric Gray