Re: [Teas] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute

["Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Matt, 

Thank you Matt for taking time to review the document and several f2f
meetings to go over the issues/resolutions. Also, thank you co-authors for
several meetings to discuss issues raised.


Please see responses below <RG>


On 2015-11-05 8:12 AM, "Teas on behalf of Matt Hartley (mhartley)"
<[e-mail] on behalf of [e-mail]> wrote:

>All,
>
>Some comments on this.
>
>In general: post -> after. It's just easier to read (IMO :)

<RG> Document updated.

>
>You don't need to expand MP every time you use it. I lost count of the
>number of places you've done this.

<RG> Document updated.

>
>The document talks about PSC LSPs. Presumably it doesn't apply to LSPs
>with any other switching capability, but it might be a good idea to
>explicitly say so (maybe around section 3, where you're setting out other
>things this document doesn't apply to).

<RG> Added in Section 1.

>
>Section 4.1 Does RFC 4090 specify that the upstream label MUST be added
>to the Path RRO? If not, this draft needs to.

<RG> Added in Section 4.5.1.

>
>Section 4.2: Similarly, does 4561 specify that the node-id MUST be added?
>Again, this draft relies on it.

<RG> This was already there in Section 4.5.1.

>
>Does this draft work on the assumption that the backup tunnel goes in the
>same direction as the primary LSP that it protects (i.e. that the
>backup's head is at the upstream PLR rather than the downstream PLR)? I
>get the feeling it does (more on this later) but it's not explicitly
>stated anywhere. If this is the case, it means that perfectly good backup
>tunnels that happen to be running in the wrong direction can't be used.


<RG> As discussed in f2f meetings, yes, assumption is that backup tunnel
follows the same direction as primary LSP. Added Section 4.1 with details.

>
>4.4.1: This means that a Path message is going to be regenerated every
>time there's a backup assignment. Given that backup assignments are
>generally done during Resv processing, this means that if every hop can
>be a PLR, you're going to get a *lot* of updated Path messages while the
>LSP is being established. Is this a problem? Can it be mitigated if so?
>It would be good to see some discussion of this.


<RG> As discussed, bypass assignement can be done during Path messages.
>From the Resv, FRR MP label rewrite needs to be updated locally in
hardware, which should not cause additional signalling.

 

>
>4.4.1: this doesn't say that a downstream MP needs to examine the entire
>Path RRO and look at all BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT objects; it probably should
>do. It should probably also say that the choice of backup tunnel (if
>multiple choices exist) is discussed in section 4.4.2.

<RG> Added in Section 4.5.1.


>
>As written, the draft prevents an upstream backup being assigned unless
>that backup is also assigned in the downstream direction (4.4.1). The
>reverse, however, does not apply; when a downstream PLR assigns a backup,
>there's no guarantee that this backup will also be used for upstream
>traffic. Is this a problem? And if not, why shouldn't an upstream PLR be
>permitted to assign an upstream backup in its own initiative if it wants
>to? Section 4.4.2 seems quietly resigned to the fact that some links may
>be unprotected in the reverse direction. Is this inevitable?

<RG> As discussed, this is not an issue when bypass follows the same
direction as primary. Only the node where the bypass is provisioned (in
this case downstream PLR) needs to originate the assignment, as it knows
the assignment policy configured.


>
>4.4.3: is the data present in the BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject sufficient
>to uniquely identify the backup tunnel? I see two issues here.
>
>First, the tunnel-id alone is sufficient only if the source and
>destination are already known from the RRO, and that's only possible if
>we assume the source is the node that inserted the BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT
>subobject and the destination is the processing MP. As mentioned earlier,
>a backup tunnel originating at the MP could also do the job (these are
>bidirectional tunnels, after all) but this is precluded at the moment. I
>think this limitation needs to be justified if you wish to impose it.
>
>Second: even if we only allow backups to originate on the downstream PLR,
>do we also need the extended tunnel id as an additional discriminator?


<RG> As discussed, when bypass tunnel follows the same direction as
primary, there is no new data is needed in the RRO.


>
>Section 5 seems to be based on the assumption that all link failures are
>bidirectional. Is this reasonable? In particular, what if a link failure
>is only detected by the upstream PLR?


<RG> Clarified behaviour in Section 6.2.

>
>5.1, at the end: does the upstream PLR have to wait until it receives
>Path state over the bypass tunnel before redirecting Resv state onto the
>bypass, or can it redirect Resv state as soon as it detects a failure? It
>strikes me that the latter might be a good idea, especially if
>unidirectional failures are a possibility.


<RG> As discussed, upstream PLR waits for the Path message. Added
following text in Section 6.2.:
If the link failure is unidirectional in the direction of R4 to R3, node
R3 will stop receiving the RSVP Resv messages from node R4 and this will
cause RSVP soft-state to timeout on node R3.  However, unidirectional link
failure in the opposite direction will not result in RSVP soft-state
timeout as node R5 will trigger the re-coroute procedure after receiving
RSVP Path message over the bypass tunnel from node R3.



>
>6.2: Under what circumstances could the PRR fail to find a reverse bypass
>tunnel? Given that it became a PRR because it was already a MP, doesn't
>it always have a suitable bypass? If it didn't, it would be a MP...


<RG> In error condition.

>
>6.2: this example focuses on what R3 and R5 are doing. Could you also
>describe the expected behavior of R2 and R4?


<RG> Updated Section 6.2.:
Node R4 will stop receiving the Path and Resv messages and it will timeout
the RSVP soft-state, however, this will not cause the LSP to be torn down.
 RSVP signaling
          at node R2 is not affected by the FRR and re-corouting.



>
>Finally... some nits/readability suggestions. I've pasted significant
>chunks of the draft below with my suggested changes inline: look for
>'MRH'.


<RG> Text corrected with suggestions below.


>
>Cheers
>
>Matt
>
>Abstract
>
>   This document defines Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic
>   Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling extensions to support Fast Reroute
>   (FRR) of Packet Switched Capable (PSC) Generalized Multi-Protocol
>   Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs).  These signaling
>   extensions allow the coordination of bidirectional bypass tunnel
>
>MRH: ...coordination of a bidirectional...
>
>   assignment protecting a common facility in both forward and reverse
>   directions of a co-routed bidirectional LSP.  In addition, these
>   extensions enable the re-direction of bidirectional traffic and
>   signaling onto bypass tunnels that ensure co-routedness of data and
>   signaling paths in the forward and reverse directions after FRR to
>   avoid RSVP soft-state timeout.


<RG> Corrected.


>
>(snip)
>
>1.  Introduction
>
>   Packet Switched Capable (PSC) Traffic Engineering (TE) tunnels are
>   signaled using Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
>   signaling procedures specified in [RFC3473] for both unidirectional
>   and bidirectional LSPs.  Fast Reroute (FRR) [RFC4090] has been widely
>   deployed in the packet TE networks today and is preferred for TE
>
>MRH: preferred -> desirable. 'preferred' implies it exists already, and
>if that were the case you wouldn't need this draft :)


<RG> Corrected.


>
>   GMPLS tunnels.  Using FRR methods also allows to leverage existing
>
>MRH: ...Using FRR procedures also allows the leveraging of... (or maybe
>...re-use of...)
>
>   mechanisms for failure detection and restoration in the deployed
>   networks.
>
>MRH: ...in deployed networks.
>
>   FRR procedures defined in [RFC4090] describe the behavior of the
>
>MRH: The FRR procedures...
>
>   Point of Local Repair (PLR) to reroute traffic and signaling onto the
>   bypass tunnel in the event of a failure for unidirectional LSPs.
>   These procedures are applicable to unidirectional protected LSPs
>   signaled using either RSVP-TE [RFC3209] or GMPLS procedures
>   [RFC3473], however don't address issues that arise when employing FRR
>
>MRH: ...[RFC3473], but they do not address...
>
>   for bidirectional co-routed GMPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs).
>
>   When bidirectional bypass tunnels are used to locally protect
>   bidirectional co-routed GMPLS LSPs, the upstream and downstream PLRs
>   may independently assign different bidirectional bypass tunnels in
>   the forward and reverse directions.  There is no mechanism in FRR
>
>MRH: ...in the FRR procedures...
>
>   procedures defined in [RFC4090] to coordinate the bidirectional
>   bypass tunnel selection between the downstream and upstream PLRs.
>
>   When using FRR procedures with bidirectional co-routed GMPLS LSPs, it
>   is possible in some cases (e.g. when using node protection bypass
>   tunnels post a link failure event and when RSVP signaling is sent
>   in-fiber and in-band with data), the RSVP signaling refreshes may
>   stop reaching some nodes along the primary bidirectional LSP path
>   after the PLRs complete rerouting traffic and signaling onto the
>   bypass tunnels.
>
>MRH: maybe replace this lot with:
>
>When using FRR procedures with bidirectional co-routed GMPLS LSPs, it is
>possible in some cases for the RSVP signaling refreshes to stop reaching
>some nodes along the primary LSP path after the PLRs finish rerouting
>signaling onto the bypass tunnels. This may occur when using node
>protection bypass tunnels after a link failure event and when RSVP
>signaling is sent in-fiber and in-band with data.
>
>   This is caused by the asymmetry of paths that may be
>   taken by the bidirectional LSP's signaling in the forward and reverse
>   directions after FRR reroute.  In such cases, the RSVP soft-state
>   timeout eventually causes the protected bidirectional LSP to be
>
>MRH: ...timeout causes...
>
>   destroyed, and consequently impacts protected traffic flow after FRR.
>
>MRH: ...destroyed, with subsequent traffic loss after FRR.
>
>   Protection State Coordination Protocol [RFC6378] is applicable to FRR
>   [RFC4090] for local protection of bidirectional co-routed LSPs in
>   order to minimize traffic disruptions in both directions.  However,
>   this does not address the above mentioned problem of RSVP soft-state
>   timeout in control plane.
>
>   This document proposes solutions to the above mentioned problems by
>   providing mechanisms in the control plane to complement FRR
>
>MRH: ...complement the FRR procedures...
>
>   procedures of [RFC4090] in order to maintain the RSVP soft-state for
>   bidirectional co-routed protected GMPLS LSPs and achieve symmetry in
>   the paths followed by the traffic and signaling in the forward and
>   reverse directions post FRR.  The document further extends RSVP
>   signaling so that the bidirectional bypass tunnel selected by the
>   upstream PLR matches the one selected by the downstream PLR node for
>   a bidirectional co-routed LSP.
>
>   Unless otherwise specified in this document, fast reroute procedures
>
>MRH: ...document, the FRR procedures...
>
>   defined in [RFC4090] are not modified for GMPLS signaled tunnels.
>
>(snip)
>
>3.  Fast Reroute For Unidirectional GMPLS LSPs
>
>   FRR procedures defined in [RFC4090] are applicable to unidirectional
>
>MRH: The FRR procedures...
>
>   protected LSPs signaled using either RSVP-TE or GMPLS procedures and
>   are not modified by the extensions defined in this document.  These
>   FRR procedures also apply to bidirectional associated GMPLS LSPs
>   where two unidirectional GMPLS LSPs are bound together by using
>   association signaling [RFC7551].
>
>4.  Bypass Tunnel Assignment for Bidirectional GMPLS LSPs
>
>   This section describes signaling procedures for bidirectional bypass
>   tunnel assignment for GMPLS signaled PSC bidirectional co-routed TE
>   LSPs.
>
>4.1.  Merge Point Labels
>
>   To correctly reroute data traffic over a node protection bypass
>   tunnel, the downstream and upstream PLRs have to know, in advance,
>   the downstream and upstream Merge Point (MP) labels so that data in
>   the forward and reverse directions can be tunneled through the bypass
>   tunnel post FRR respectively.
>
>MRH: .... can be redirected through the bypass tunnel after FRR.
>
>   [RFC4090] defines procedures for the downstream PLR to obtain the
>   protected LSP's downstream MP label from recorded labels in the RRO
>   of the RSVP Resv message received at the downstream PLR.
>
>   To obtain the upstream MP label, existing methods [RFC4090] to record
>
>MRH: ...label, the procedures defined in [RFC4090] to record the
>upstream...
>
>   upstream MP label are used in the RRO of the RSVP Path message.  The
>   upstream PLR can obtain the upstream MP label from the recorded label
>   in the RRO of the received RSVP Path message.
>
>4.2.  Merge Point Addresses
>
>   To correctly assign a bidirectional bypass tunnel, the downstream and
>   upstream PLRs have to know, in advance, the downstream and upstream
>   Merge Point (MP) addresses.  [RFC4561] defines procedures for the PLR
>   to obtain the protected LSP's merge point address in multi-domain
>   routing networks where a domain is defined as an Interior Gateway
>   Protocol (IGP) area or an Autonomous System (AS).
>
>   [RFC4561] defines procedures for the downstream PLR to obtain the
>   protected LSP's downstream merge point address from the recorded
>   node-IDs in the RRO of the RSVP Resv message received at the
>   downstream PLR.
>
>MRH: these two paragraphs repeat a lot of stuff. Merge them?
>
>   To obtain the upstream MP address, existing methods [RFC4561] to
>
>MRH: ...address, the procedures specified in [RFC4561] to...
>
>   record upstream MP node-ID are used in the RRO of the RSVP Path
>   message.  The upstream PLR can obtain the upstream MP address from
>   the recorded node-IDs in the RRO of the received RSVP Path message.
>
>4.3.  RRO IPv4/IPv6 Subobject Flags
>
>   RRO IPv4/IPv6 subobject flags are defined in [RFC4090], Section 4.4
>   and are applicable to the FRR procedure for the bidirectional GMPLS
>
>MRH: ...for bidirectional...
>
>   tunnels.
>
>   [RFC4090] defined procedure is used by the downstream PLR
>
>MRH: The procedure defined in [RFC4090] is used...
>
>   independently to signal the Ipv4/IPv6 subobject flags in the RRO of
>
>MRH: Ipv4 -> IPv4
>
>   the RSVP Path message.  Similarly, this procedure is used by the
>   upstream PLR independently to signal the IPv4/IPv6 subobject flags in
>   the RRO of the RSVP Resv message.
>
>4.4.  Bypass Tunnel Assignment Co-ordination
>
>   This document defines signaling procedure and a new BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT
>
>MRH: procedure -> procedures
>
>   subobject in RSVP RECORD_ROUTE object used to co-ordinate the
>
>MRH: ...in the RSVP RECORD_ROUTE object...
>
>   bidirectional bypass tunnel selection between the downstream and
>   upstream PLRs.
>
>4.4.1.  Bypass Tunnel Assignment Signaling Procedure
>
>(snip)
>
>   The upstream PLR (downstream MP) that detects a BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT
>   subobject, whose bypass tunnel and the node-ID subobject when used as
>   a "bypass tunnel source" terminates locally, assigns the matching
>   bidirectional bypass tunnel in the reverse direction, and forwards
>   the RSVP Path message downstream.  Otherwise, the bypass tunnel
>   assignment subobject is simply forwarded downstream along in the RSVP
>   Path message.
>
>MRH: This paragraph is a bit garbled. Can you rewrite to make it clearer?
>
>   Bypass assignment co-ordination procedure described above can be used
>
>MRH: The bypass assignment...
>
>   for both one-to-one backup described in Section 3.1 of [RFC4090] and
>   facility backup described in Section 3.2 of [RFC4090].
>
>4.4.2.  Bypass Tunnel Assignment Policy
>
>   In the case of upstream PLR receiving multiple BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT
>   subobjects from multiple downstream PLRs, the decision of selecting a
>   bypass tunnel in the reverse direction can be based on a local
>   policy, for example, prefer link protection versus node protection
>   bypass tunnel, or prefer the most upstream versus least upstream node
>   protection bypass tunnel.
>
>MRH: "the selection of a bypass tunnel in the reverse direction can be
>based on local policy. Examples of such a policy could be to prefer link
>protection over node protection, or to prefer the bypass tunnel to the
>furthest upstream node."
>
>                              However, it is recommended that nodes
>
>MRH: recommended -> RECOMMENDED? Or if you don't mean to use 2119
>language here, could you reword this? It's ambiguous as it stands.
>
>   along the LSP path employ identical policy for bypass tunnel
>   assignment.
>
>
>   When different policies are used for bypass tunnel assignment on the
>   LSP path, it may result in some links in the reverse direction not
>   assigned bypass protection as shown in examples below.
>
>   As shown in Example 1, node A assigns a node protection bypass tunnel
>   in the forward direction but node C does not assign a node protection
>   bypass tunnel in the reverse direction for a protected bidirectional
>   GMPLS LSP.  Both nodes B and C assign a link protection bypass
>   tunnel.  As a result, there is no fast reroute protection available
>   in the reverse direction for link A-B for this LSP.
>
>
>                      +------->>------+
>                     /          +->>-+ \
>                    /          /      \ \
>                   /          /        \ \
>                  A -------- B --------- C
>                              \        /
>                               \      /
>                                +-<<-+
>
>         Example 1: An example of different bypass assignment policy
>
>MRH: add an arrow to indicate the direction of the ABC LSP. Same in
>example 2 below.


<RG> Corrected text for all of the above suggestions.


>
>(snip)
>
>4.4.3.  BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT Subobject
>
>   The BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject is used to inform the MP of the
>
>MRH: ...inform the downstream MP...
>
>   bypass tunnel being assigned by the PLR.  This can be used to
>   coordinate the bypass tunnel assignment for the protected LSP by the
>   downstream and upstream PLRs in the forward and reverse directions
>   respectively prior or post the failure occurrence.  This subobject
>   SHOULD only be inserted into the RSVP Path message by the downstream
>   PLR and MUST NOT be changed by downstream LSRs.
>
>MRH: maybe... "This subobject SHOULD be inserted into the Path RRO by the
>downstream PLR. It SHOULD NOT be inserted into an RRO by a node which is
>not a downstream PLR. It MUST NOT be changed by downstream LSRs and MUST
>NOT be added to a Resv RRO."
>
>
>   The BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject in RRO has the following format:
>
>          0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |       Type    |      Length   |      Bypass Tunnel ID         |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>      Type
>
>            Downstream Bypass Assignment.
>
>MRH: maybe mention that the value is TBD pending IANA assignment?


<RG> Added.

>
>(snip)
>
>5.  Link Protection Bypass Tunnels for Bidirectional GMPLS LSPs
>
>   When a bidirectional link protection bypass tunnel is used, after a
>   link failure, downstream PLR reroutes RSVP Path and traffic over
>
>MRH: failure... the downstream PLR reroutes traffic and RSVP messages
>over the bypass tunnel using the procedures defined in...
>
>   bypass tunnel using procedures defined in [RFC4090].  Upstream PLR
>   may reroute traffic and RSVP Resv upon detecting the link failure or
>   upon receiving RSVP Path message over a bidirectional bypass tunnel.
>
>MRH: Upstream PLR behavior is unclear here. I assume you mean that it MAY
>use whichever trigger (Path message or link-down) it gets first? You
>should probably say that it MUST do one or the other.


<RG> Removed "may".


>
>   This allows both traffic and RSVP signaling to flow on symmetric
>   paths in the forward and reverse directions of a bidirectional
>   tunnel.
>
>(snip)
>
>   Consider the Traffic Engineered (TE) network shown in Figure 1.
>   Assume every link in the network is protected with a link protection
>   bypass tunnel (e.g. bypass tunnel T3).  For the protected
>   bidirectional co-routed LSP whose (active) head-end is on router R1
>   and (passive) tail-end is on router R5, each traversed router (a
>   potential PLR) assigns a link protection bidirectional co-routed
>   bypass tunnel.
>
>MRH: are active and passive industry-standard terms? I'd have thought
>using head and tail would suffice.


<RG> Yes, corrected.

>
>(snip)
>
>6.  Node Protection Bypass Tunnels for Bidirectional GMPLS LSPs
>
>(snip)
>
>   Consider the Traffic Engineered (TE) network shown in Figure 2.
>   Assume every link in the network is protected with a node protection
>   bypass tunnel.  For the protected bidirectional co-routed LSP whose
>   (active) head-end is on router R1 and (passive) tail-end is on router
>   R6, each traversed router (a potential PLR) assigns a node protection
>   bidirectional co-routed bypass tunnel.
>
>MRH: Again, are active and passive industry-standard terms?


<RG> Removed these.


>
>(snip)
>
>6.2.  Behavior Post Link Failure To Re-coroute
>
>   The downstream Merge Point (MP) R5 that receives rerouted protected
>   LSP RSVP Path message through the bypass tunnel, in addition to the
>   regular MP processing defined in [RFC4090], gets promoted to a Point
>   of Remote Repair (PRR role) and performs the following actions to
>   re-coroute signaling and data traffic over the same path in both
>   directions:
>
>      o Finds the bypass tunnel in the reverse direction
>        that terminates on the Downstream PLR R3.  Note: the Downstream
>        PLR R3's address is extracted from the "IPV4 tunnel sender
>        address" in the SENDER_TEMPLATE object.
>
>MRH: bypass tunnel's SENDER_TEMPLATE


<RG> No, primary LSP's SENDER_TEMPLATE, text updated.

>
>(snip)
>
>   If downstream MP R5 receives multiple RSVP Path messages through
>   multiple bypass tunnels (e.g. as a result of multiple failures), the
>   PRR SHOULD identify a bypass tunnel that terminates on the farthest
>   downstream PLR along the protected LSP path (closest to the primary
>   bidirectional tunnel head-end) and activate the reroute procedures
>   mentioned above.
>
>MRH: Don't you mean the furthest *upstream* PLR?


<RG> No. Farthest downstream PLR (in the upstream direction).

Regards,
Rakesh (for authors)




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