Re: [Teas] WG adoption - draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition - Appendix

"Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com> Fri, 21 August 2020 03:17 UTC

Return-Path: <jie.dong@huawei.com>
X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116573A17CF for <teas@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:17:27 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.901
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wU60F8DgLm0G for <teas@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:17:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 478723A1074 for <teas@ietf.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:17:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lhreml743-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 03FE0DDCFF2CA2C9E598; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 04:17:23 +0100 (IST)
Received: from dggeme702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.98) by lhreml743-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.193) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 04:17:22 +0100
Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.100) by dggeme702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.98) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:17:20 +0800
Received: from dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) by dggeme754-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.77]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:17:20 +0800
From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com>
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Teas] WG adoption - draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition - Appendix
Thread-Index: AQHWd0W34J/WNHjo5UOG7rbDhHZZJ6lByflg
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:17:20 +0000
Message-ID: <b7b110ce14344cadb74b80ea9ccce144@huawei.com>
References: <CA+YzgTvnv5nUZ6OYx9GkFUxDHxAFNvYsx5LrFfho3860_MLfZA@mail.gmail.com> <330a76d8-2f05-795f-42a6-01de094b54b4@joelhalpern.com> <BYAPR13MB2437D23542B163D477B583C8D95A0@BYAPR13MB2437.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> <93726585-ccdd-3460-e6c6-540f98ec9084@joelhalpern.com> <BYAPR13MB243700523A1B5D597973C1CCD95A0@BYAPR13MB2437.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> <2265a594-f48f-3903-d998-3bb764df627a@joelhalpern.com>
In-Reply-To: <2265a594-f48f-3903-d998-3bb764df627a@joelhalpern.com>
Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN
Content-Language: zh-CN
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.143]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/teas/5Wmm-Mpc_775ud3QWk7O-BWA70Y>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption - draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition - Appendix
X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list <teas.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/teas>, <mailto:teas-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/teas/>
List-Post: <mailto:teas@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:teas-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas>, <mailto:teas-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:17:28 -0000

Hi Joel, 

In the design team there were several rounds of discussion about the content in the appendix and where it should be placed. The current text in the appendix reflects the consensus of the design team, although some minor edits were not included yet. 

As for whether some of the text in appendix will be moved to the framework document, currently the design team has no specific opinion about this, and feedbacks from WG are appreciated. While as Kiran mentioned, description and discussion about isolation is needed in the NS-DT documents.

Best regards,
Jie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 7:00 AM
> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; Vishnu Pavan Beeram
> <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption - draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition -
> Appendix
> 
> Since I do not think that the material in the appendix is useful, I for one will not
> push for adding it to the Framework.  You are welcome to dabate adding it to
> the framework with the rest of the WG.  But it does not belong in the
> definitions draft.
> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> On 8/20/2020 5:20 PM, Kiran Makhijani wrote:
> > Hi Joel,
> > I am ok to remove some part from Appendix only if it is included in the
> framework first.
> >
> > But for the TSRE, I have proposed clearer and shorter text that they are not
> visible to the consumer of a transport slices. One of the purpose of definitions
> document is 'define' common terminology in the scope of transport slices, and
> all we are saying is that when realizing a transport slice, things TSEs will map to
> are called TSREs.
> > I am not able to see the drawback of saying so.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kiran
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joel Halpern Direct <jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:19 PM
> >> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; Vishnu Pavan Beeram
> >> <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption -
> >> draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition
> >>
> >> No, your replies did not in any way address my concerns.
> >>
> >> I would suggest removing the references to TSRE and more importantly
> >> removing appendix A.1, or at least the last part of the appendix.
> >>
> >> Yours,
> >> Joel
> >>
> >> On 8/20/2020 2:54 PM, Kiran Makhijani wrote:
> >>> Hi Joel,
> >>> After having replied to your comments, we have not heard further if
> >>> they
> >> were convincing.
> >>> Please let us know.
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Kiran
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:04 AM
> >>>> To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG
> >>>> <teas@ietf.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption -
> >>>> draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition
> >>>>
> >>>> Without repairs to the issues I have raised on the email list, I do
> >>>> not think this document should be adopted as a WG document.
> >>>> We are close, but not quite there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yours,
> >>>> Joel
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/19/2020 11:50 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is start of a *three* week poll on making
> >>>>> draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition-03 a TEAS working group
> >>>> document.
> >>>>> Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do
> >>>>> not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations
> >>>>> with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide
> >>>>> comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG
> document.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The poll ends September 9th (extra week to account for vacation
> season).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Pavan and Lou
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Teas mailing list
> >>>>> Teas@ietf.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fteas&amp;data=02%7C01%7Ckiranm%40f
> >>>> utur
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> ewei.com%7Cf26ab959470747a36b2808d84459a351%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189
> >>>> c753a1d
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> 5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637334499094612048&amp;sdata=%2FGSlz2Q4%2B
> >>>> RAlZTXBv5
> >>>>> XlCZ9YKaUKQ7C4IUIgdQDVJ%2Bk%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Teas mailing list
> >>>> Teas@ietf.org
> >>>>
> >>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> >>>> .i
> >>
> etf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fteas&amp;data=02%7C01%7Ckiranm%40fu
> >>>>
> >>
> turewei.com%7Cf26ab959470747a36b2808d84459a351%7C0fee8ff2a3b2401
> >>>>
> >>
> 89c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637334499094612048&amp;sdata=%2FG
> >>>>
> >>
> Slz2Q4%2BRAlZTXBv5XlCZ9YKaUKQ7C4IUIgdQDVJ%2Bk%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Teas mailing list
> >>> Teas@ietf.org
> >>>
> >>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> >>>
> >>
> ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fteas&amp;data=02%7C01%7Ckiranm%40f
> >> utur
> >>>
> >>
> ewei.com%7C7bb861e35ac84653b62208d8454659ac%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189
> >> c753a1d
> >>>
> >>
> 5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637335515772670726&amp;sdata=MZQKraVa8fj3BL
> >> sLRq9T9a
> >>> Ypp3C%2Bu1w9c7DgIVE6kE0%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas