Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks
"Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com> Tue, 03 August 2021 13:05 UTC
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From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" <jie.dong@huawei.com>
To: "peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn" <peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn>, Huzhibo <huzhibo@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks
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Hi PSF, See inline: > -----Original Message----- > From: peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn [mailto:peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn] > Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 6:49 PM > To: Huzhibo <huzhibo@huawei.com> > Cc: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>; teas@ietf.org; > draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks@ietf.org > Subject: Re:[Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks > > Hi Zhibo, > > See in-line [PSF]. > > Regards, > PSF > > > > ------------------原始邮件------------------ > 发件人:Huzhibo > 收件人:彭少富10053815; > 抄送人:Dongjie > (Jimmy);teas@ietf.org;draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks@ietf.org; > 日 期 :2021年08月03日 17:20 > 主 题 :RE: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks > Hi PSF: > > Both the VTN and AII identify the underlay of the slice. > [PSF] that is right. > > > However, the VTN-ID is not used as an identifier of the control plane topology. > Instead, the topology of the slice is defined by referencing an existing > multi-topology technology. > VTN-ID defines the topology and resources of a slice by decoupling the > topology and resources, which are different from AII. > [PSF] Whether it is customizing slice's own topology (such as AII) or referencing > an existing topology (such as VTN-ID), there is a logical topology for slice. So > VTN-ID is also actually an identifier of logical topology. And, both AII and > VTN-ID are used to identify resouce. So, the smallest difference for AII and > VTN-ID is the flavor to create the logical topology. Note that > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet contains both customizing and referencing flavor. [Jie] The key difference is that AII reinvents the wheel by defining a new topology identifier, while VTN refers to the well-defined MT or Flex-Algo for its topology attribute. This is why VTN allows the decoupling of topology and resource attributes to provide better scalability, while AII has limitation in the supported network scale. > As mentioned in the previous email, the agreement is to find a common new > term for network slice realization. > [PSF] Agree, alignment with some new term, but not VTN according to > Dongjie's original mail. [Jie] Apparently you didn't read my mail carefully. Here is what I suggested in my email: > 1. As discussed on the TEAS meeting, the terminologies in several drafts > related to network slicing realization will be aligned, thus it is suggested the > terminology in this document also aligns with the "new term" to be > proposed. -Jie > Best regards, > Zhibo > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn > Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:37 PM > To: Huzhibo <huzhibo@huawei.com> > Cc: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>; teas@ietf.org; > draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks > > Hi Zhibo, > > First, when aii was proposed in draft-peng-teas-network-slicing to introduce > slice identifier to underlay network, it was not good just to change its name as > vtn-id in redundant draft, for example, just open > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-zch-lsr-isis-network-slicing-06.txt and > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn-06.txt to see > the repeat and overlap. > Second, SA-ID defined in draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet has completely covered > aii and vtn-id, especially when the mapping of slice and Slice-Aggregate is 1:1. > So that there is not any reason for you to continue to update vtn-id concept, > and even ask other proposals to be alignment with VTN. > > Regards, > PSF > > ------------------原始邮件------------------ > 发件人:Huzhibo > 收件人:彭少富10053815;Dongjie (Jimmy); > 抄送人:draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks@ietf.org;teas@ietf.org; > 日 期 :2021年08月02日 20:21 > 主 题 :RE: Re:[Teas] Some comments on > draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks > Hi PSF, > The discussion Jie referred to was the about the terminology alignment > between VTN, Slice Aggregate, etc. in several active network slice related > drafts. With the "merging" of draft-peng-teas-network-slicing into > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet, it is not clear whether the term "AII" has been > totally replaced by "Slice Aggregate", or you still plan to work on it separately? > After the discussion among the authors of several drafts, the agreement is to > find a common new term for network slice realization, so that those drafts > could refer to that new term. This is also what we suggested to the authors of > draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks for better terminology alignment. > Best regards, > Zhibo > -----Original Message----- > From: peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn [mailto:peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn] > Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 5:39 PM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> > Cc: draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks@ietf.org; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re:[Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks > Hi Dongjie, > Seeing that you openly mention VTN-ID, I have to remind you again that the > VTN-ID is just the A-I-I of draft-peng-teas-network-slicing which analyzes the > necessity of introducing slice identifier into underlay network. I believe you > never thought about dealing with the overlap of VTN-ID and A-I-I, so how can > you ask other drafts to do so? > Again, you may say that the A-I-I related scheme described by > draft-peng-teas-network-slicing has scalability problems ... ... so that VTN-ID is > not A-I-I... ... > Regards, > PSF > ------------------原始邮件------------------ > 发件人:Dongjie(Jimmy) > 收件人:draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks@ietf.org; > 抄送人:TEAS WG; > 日 期 :2021年08月02日 17:07 > 主 题 :[Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-building-blocks > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > Hi authors, > Thanks for the presentation in the TEAS session in last week. Here are some > comments on this draft: > 1. As discussed on the TEAS meeting, the terminologies in several drafts > related to network slicing realization will be aligned, thus it is suggested the > terminology in this document also aligns with the "new term" to be > proposed. > 2. As this document lists the SR technologies which can be used for > network slice realization in SR networks, the suggestion is it should also > describe and reference draft-ietf-spring-resource-aware-segments and > draft-ietf-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn which specifies the extensions to SR > segments and the mechanisms to provide SR based VTNs. > 3. Section 8 of this document describes the "stateless network slice ID" > concept and the mechanisms with different data planes. The general > mechanism of introducing dedicated VTN identifier in data packet for per-VTN > packet processing was described in > draft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn-vtn-scalability, thus there is some overlap in > this part which needs to be solved in future versions. > Best regards, > Jie
- [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring-ns-… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… Huzhibo
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… Huzhibo
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas] Some comments on draft-ali-teas-spring… peng.shaofu